to think the world is safer when men stay indoors?

[Trexical]

Now this assertion has to be balanced against the appalling increases we've seen in domestic violence since lock down but this article in the Guardian is shocking and offers an insight into what the world might look like if men ( and yes I make no apology as I know it's not all men) were forced to stay inside.

Startling excerpts include rapes down from 600 to 100 per day in South Africa and murder rates down in the usa by over 40,%.

Yabu- this is misandrist flawed logic
Yanbu- the world is safer when men are in lockdown

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/11/crime-falls-sharply-in-even-the-most-violent-us-cities

Everyone is in lockdown

The world would be even safer if everyone, male and female, had a lobotomy and lived in complete isolation while being cared for by robots. How does that solution grab you?

It would be more logical to say that opportunity to commit crime is down ie if No one is on the streets there is no opportunity for robbery, with everyone indoors no chance for burglary.

There was a twitter thread a while ago where a man asked his female friends what they would do if men were locked away for 24 hours. He said he found the response very disturbing as he’d not realised the lengths woman got to to feel safe from men and how harassed and pressured they feel.
Yanbu to say it but the article doesn’t really illustrate the point.

I think when they banned daytime running in Paris they should have banned the men and let the women go out in the day and tell the men they had to go out after 7pm instead.

You're likely going to get an influx now of "NOT ALL MEN!" and "WOMEN ARE ABUSERS TOO!" which completely ignores the fact that the majority of violent and sexual crimes are committed by men.

Not if you're a domestic abuse victim

Yanbu. It's hardly controversial to say that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by men, and that, as you say, while the crime rates drop sharply in lockdown, the ones who lose out are the women and children who are locked down with these men. And the men who would never stab someone or burgle a shop, but have no compunction in dealing out domestic violence.

Yes it's ironic that most of the advice to women to ensure their safety is around changing their behaviour when what really needs to change is the behaviour of the men preying on them..

It’s like when the Yorkshire Ripper was at his peak and the police told women to stay in after dark. No mention of the concept of telling males not to go out instead.

Not very safe for the women who are now confined in small houses/flats with violent men.

Not very safe for the women who are now confined in small houses/flats with violent men.

As the OP acknowledges in the very first line of her post.

I would wager that the world is safer for more people, but much, much worse for some people.

You'll get some men who would have attacked lots of women outside, who are now attacking just one woman inside, but repeatedly. Lockdown means it's harder to secretly get help.

So, collective suffering is probably markedly down, but individual suffering is probably markedly up.

I don't feel good about those statistics.

Logic would only work if only men were in lockdown but women are too.

I also don't understand the logic in campaigning for those in DV situations during lock down to move to air b&bs and hotels.. there should be a hot line number where the perpetrator (male or female) is taken out of the house to the hotel NOT the other way round which would be far less disruptive for children and the victims.

I would love some transformative, bold policies to emerge after this pandemic as it's like a huge empirical global experiment affording an insight into how to achieve a safer world, when the will and commitment is there.

Surely the issue with removing the perpetrator is that they can then return and know where the victims are.
Moving the victims is safer as the abuser will not know where they have been moved to.

Logic would only work if only men were in lockdown but women are too

Yes but if women were allowed out freely and men had to remain in lockdown, sexual and violent crimes committed outside of the home would still be down as the vast majority of perpetrators are male.

there should be a hot line number where the perpetrator (male or female) is taken out of the house to the hotel NOT the other way round which would be far less disruptive for children and the victims.

I disagree. Disruption is better than laying awake all night, listening for any little noise, because he knows where you are, he’s got keys to get in and he’s bloody angry because the police have got involved and embarrassed him in front of the neighbours.

Probably safer still if we ban people from low socio economic backgrounds from leaving the house.

And ethnic minorities too.

It’s like when the Yorkshire Ripper was at his peak and the police told women to stay in after dark. No mention of the concept of telling males not to go out instead.

I see what you mean about policing normal behaviour of women instead of focussing on the perpetrators, but if all women had gone out and none of the men who weren't hurting them were there, why do you think the Yorkshire Ripper would have followed the rules?!

Sn0tnose I hear you and understand the logic but having known women leave with just the clothes on their back and their kids fir shelters it seems so unjust that the victim has to leave his/her community, local school etc.
If the perpetrators were tagged..hell even moved to another city and barred from returning it would be a start. I just think the current thinking accepts that the system can't stop violent perpertrators so it's expedient to move the victim, but not imo necessarily best for the family long term.

As a man I think YANBU. Most crime is committed by men. The vast majority of prisoners around the world are men. It’s not sexist to state fact.
There is less opportunity to commit crime outside the home at the moment, this is a factor in why Domestic violence has increased.

If there is a god he is a man - no women could or would fuck up this world this badly lol.

All my assaults took place in my own home at the hands of someone I knew. I dread to think what it would have been like if this had happened while I was still in that situation.

I feel safer alone outdoors at night (when it's deserted and quiet enough to hear wildlife breathing) than I ever do in busy places during the day or indoors with any number of people in any type of space at any time. But I realise that's because of my experiences and not shared by most.

I find it difficult to cope with any men anywhere at any time - work, hospital, supermarket, anywhere. Doesn't make any difference to me whether they're strangers or not, inside or outside. If the only medical care available is one-to-one with a man or involves a man touching me, I have gone and will go without medical care. It's too traumatic for me. Men being kept indoors doesn't change any of that.

I suppose I'm already damaged though, so not really who you have in mind.

I do agree that despite the practical considerations it does feel like a huge injustice that it's women who are uprooted from everything they know, women who lose almost everything while their perpetrator continues unscathed without any negative repercussions in their life. It feels like another way we brush it under the carpet as a society.

I'm very sceptical about the idea that this is reducing rapes. They're just happening at home and not being reported. If anything I'd expect that to have increased. I hope the women surviving it right now are stronger than me and recover.

It’s like when the Yorkshire Ripper was at his peak and the police told women to stay in after dark. No mention of the concept of telling males not to go out instead.
Yes because the Yorkshire Ripper would have adhered to the rules and stayed in like a good boy. Or should the all female police force have been scouring the streets every night looking for a random man on the prowl for weeks on end?

If the perpetrators were tagged..hell even moved to another city and barred from returning it would be a start. But how do you enforce the ban? By the time the victim knows he's returned, he's at her door / waiting for her outside the property and by then its too late. We could fit electric shocks into a leg tag that throws a 1000 volts out if they stray more than 100 m from their designated home i guess

Reported rapes are down. Probably the proportion of rapes committed by family members is up and will remain unreported.