To ask if the clappers and bangers will put their money where their mouths are...

[Lludmilla]

...come the next election, and be willing to pay higher taxes if asked, or change the way they vote, in order to show support for the NHS? Just curious. (I will be, before anyone asks - but then I wasn't voting Tory in the first place.)

YABU = no, YANBU = yes

Of course they won't pay. The noise makers and clappers are virtue signallers

Yep, happy to pay more tax to properly fund the
NHS. I've said so before. Also not a Tory voter. And also puzzled by the constant either / or presentation of clapping and funding.

The anti-clapping brigade are becoming as bad as the clapping police.

Yes, it's fucking tedious, isn't it?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/economics/debunking-the-myth-that-tories-are-better-than-labour-with-the-economy/19/11/ Let’s look at the myth that the Tory’s are better with the economy

The idea of a special NHS tax is so old as an idea you’d wonder why it’s never been done... except it’s obvious why it’s never happened.

People won’t actually pay it. Yes there must be a lot of hypocrites banging pots out there.

Next week, why people won’t pay for tax for universal benefits... or would rather not anyway.

Why do you assume the people clapping don't support the NHS?
How are you able to tell the way they voted just by the sound of their clap?

I put Yanbu but I would never vote tory, but. I did clap and bang and would pay higher taxes as I value the nhs

oh just stop it. As others have said, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Frontline NHS staff do a pretty amazing job all of the time. At the moment they are doing an extraordinary AND terrifying job and I thank them for that - that's why I clap. Noone in my immediate circle works for the NHS in any capacity so I can't thank them personally - it's a thank you, that's all - a thank you shouldn't have to come with conditions.

That being said as a higher rate tax payer already I would also be happy for an increase in my income tax if it ensure better salaries and conditions for them. However, I also work with NHS management and some of the fuckwittery around budgeting and organisation is a thing to behold. But that's not for now. For now, let me and those who want to say thank you do so in whatever way they see fit.

Oh and not all NHS think it's nonsense - there was footage from my local hospital this evening where there were huge numbers of nhs staff out clapping along with ambulances lined up flashing their lights.

Above all, stop the bandwaggonning if you do this you're evil, if you do that you're not. If clapping is virtue signalling then so is the whingeing about clapping.

Hush. drink wine.

Why do you assume the people clapping don't support the NHS?
How are you able to tell the way they voted just by the sound of their clap?

I don't assume that, but accept I worded the title a bit misleadingly. The question is really directed towards those who voted Tory.

Also wanted to say how nice it is to hear NHS workers saying they are getting something out of the clapping (not just on this thread but on others) - I just wish those who are being nasty about others choosing to either clap or not clap would knock it off and stop tainting the whole thing with negativity.

The Government I voted for got in and handled this a lot better than a JC one. You can speculate on how a JC govt would have handled it, we know this govt has made an almighty mess of it.

The Government I voted for got in and handled this a lot better than a JC one

Lots of speculation on this thread re how Labour would have handled things. It's easy to speculate but we don't actually know anything for sure. I'm just hoping that this crisis will spell a halt to the systematic dismantling of the NHS that the Tories have been engaging in for years, now that they've been forced to acknowledge its importance.

I'm not answering your AIBU question becasue the two options are not in opposition to me.

You can vote for the NHS and not vote labour you know.

we'd be drowning in it if the Labour Party had been handing out cash hand over fist, nationalising industries because in their warped past they thought everything was run better under the government

How much money could they feasibly have handed out in two months since the last election? Our railways are effectively nationalised now and will, with luck, stay that way. The NHS without doubt need root and branch reform, it will also need to start paying its all staff properly, not just consultants.

Happy to pay higher taxes but I won't be changing the way I vote.

Not sure where I fit in your scenario but here goes
I work for the NHS
I would happily pay higher taxes if they were ringfenced for the NHS
I clapped
I voted for the current government

If clapping is virtue signalling then so is the whingeing about clapping.

THIS!

Tory voter
Retired NHS worker
Husband senior post in NHS
I vote Tory
We don’t clap, it’s complete nonsense in our opinion.

Why is the assumption that all the ‘clappers and bangers’ are Tory voters? I’ve been on the doorstep with everyone else the last few Thursdays (although I think I’ll refrain in future, once or twice was nice but every week is a touch daft) and am a lifelong labour voter as is most of my family. Interestingly my Tory voter father thinks it’s a load of nonsense and hasn’t clapped at all.

Brexit has cost the country £66 billion so far - for an outcome that will make us poorer.

Unfortunately we're fucked. We're entering global depression, and brexit and at our helm is a self-interested govt - much loved for some mysterious reason despite all the crap they've done - who don't believe in the NHS and who've never done anything for the average working people.

I've never voted Tory and never will.

I would be delighted to pay higher taxes for the NHS, social care, better benefits and education.

And I don't clap for the NHS. I know how much I value it, those I care about know how much I value it, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

All this clapping shite is virtue signalling imo.

Ah yes the feckless. All those poorer people who went on skiing trips to Northern Italy AFTER the fact. All those poorer people who kept boarding cruise ships. All those poorer people who keep travelling to their second homes hmm

Yet again personal responsibility is only for the poor!!!

^the most sensible post on this thread

Why is the assumption that all the ‘clappers and bangers’ are Tory voters?

Not all - but on local 'community' FB forums for example they've not been backward in making it clear. Although mostly have shut up, for the moment. Are we now just supposed to forget that/Brexiters just because of Covid-19? Not everyone has a short memory or is into pretending hypocrisy doesn't exist now

Not a clapper. Higher rate tax payer and don’t understand why people are so keen to perform support until it comes to putting their hands in their pockets. Utter hypocrisy. Up until the last GE had always voted conservative. Tory Blair did my fucking head in. Biggest virtue signalling wanker alive and systematically moved welfare responsibilities away from the government towards the volunteer sector. As a compulsive volunteer constantly trying to fill gaps in provision, the man was a criminal.
Anyhoo. No clapping here. The ‘look at me’ aspect makes my toes curl.

People vote for a number of reasons or don’t vote for a number of reasons

It about time we stopped glossing over the wonderful NHS it needs to change why not look to superior healthcare of France and Germany

The money wasted is a disgrace

I pay my taxes
I vote

I'm clapping for everyone
All the workers
All the people staying at home

Christ tories are vermin. Imagine saying this shit out loud