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Ex won’t compromise

71 replies

Unsure12 · 08/04/2020 14:35

Hello All,

I’m new to this and just looking for a little bit of advice if possible. I have recently split with the father of my 2 DC. He told me he had never loved me and had never wanted to be with me, the only reason he stayed was for the children. However, I have recently found out he has since practically moved in with another woman and was having an affair for the last 6-8 months of the relationship. Regardless of this he is still the father of my children and I would never stop their relationship. The only problem is that he lives an hour away and still wants the children to start school over there from September. He says he wants them half the week and every other weekend. I just do not believe that is in the best interest of the children at all. I’m tried explaining however he’s not willing to listen. I’ve always sat back and allowed him to get what he wants for an easy life (or what I thought would be). I’ve said this isn’t beneficially due to the kids not having a set routine, sleeping pattern and such would be all over. I have always been the one who takes the kids to school, picks them up, just everyday life. I’ve said that life with children is not black and white. What happens when they’re ill and need picking up from school? What happens when they need to go to the doctors or dentist? I think the best option would be for them to go to school near me. My work is a lot more flexible and there is a larger support system near me for those times when things just don’t go smoothly. I’ve offered him 1 week night for a few hours and every weekend or 3 out of 4. I told him he can still be there for parents evening or other things but he’s not seeing it clearly. He threatens court and to take the kids if I dare to think differently than he does. He also is threatening to use my mental health against me if it ever does go to court. He never provided for the children and has no idea what day to day life with kids consists of. AIBU?

OP posts:
Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/04/2020 18:44

Stop taking
Get a decent lawyer
He is a bully and this needs to stop now

Twat

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/04/2020 18:49

Remeber the law priorites the children
That’s the ultimate focus of family law
Not his rights and what he wants
But what’s best for THEM
And he has rights of course
But changing their schools and happy routine ?
Get yourself educated and read up
Get a lawyer
And stop communicating with him

Unsure12 · 08/04/2020 18:56

Can you recommend something to read thisisworsethananticipated? I’ve tried searching the internet but nothing turns out to be helpful. This the reason I tried on here. Nowhere seems to give divinities answers or any type of guidance. It’s slightly infuriating to be honest Blush

OP posts:
Unsure12 · 08/04/2020 18:56

*definitive

OP posts:
usercheeselover · 08/04/2020 18:59

Marking place on my phone. I'll pop back on my keyboard soon

AlwaysCheddar · 08/04/2020 19:05

See a lawyer and stop talking to him!!

strawberry2017 · 08/04/2020 19:28

If he has them 50/50 he pays a lot less child support if any at all. That's why he won't compromise.

usercheeselover · 08/04/2020 19:41

Hello @Unsure12

I totally get your uncertainty. I have walked a similar path.

My circumstances are very different NOW but 5 years ago they were like yours.

All your questions and all your worries are answered in the same way though. There have been some good replies up thread. All the people saying IGNORE him are correct.

This little bit of advice is because I work in a school so this is also very good advice.
Get them into school where you live now. Once in school, do meet the head and give a quick and non biased outline of your circumstances.
Consider deferring your younger child to next year. Think about the benefit of having them a year apart in school. Make a list and include emotional health for each without a competing sibling in their class.

Onto your ex.
Email communication only. If he calls you, tell him you're busy and to email you. Stop immediately talking to him.

If you need to make childcare arrangements, be blunt, short and text times and places. Ignore any replies.

Get a new email address for you going forward. Bit of a chore but then you can ignore him even more. So your current inbox becomes your old inbox which you don't have to check very often. (this was advice to me from Met police and it was very good advice!)

Take some personal moral high ground for yourself. You have always put your children first and no, he has not. He can do better and needs to prove it before you allow him trust. You can HOPE he will be an amazing father and allow him time and space to be so. If he actually isn't a very good father in the first place, then now is the time to admit it to yourself and stop feeling let down by your choice of sperm provider.
You won't change him ever. Don't hope or expect. If he changes and proves it, then that's brilliant.

Carry on with your life in your new town. Contact should be EOW and one night in the week for dinner - this is enough at their age especially when starting school as it's a big deal and they are tired. Do not back down. Just say NO. Offer half school holidays or alternate half terms.

So he will threaten and whine and whinge. And make you doubt yourself.

In my life NOW I have had to get legal advice and I am currently waiting for my ex to maybe / maybe not take me to court.
I have a great lawyer and finally I feel confident because he talks me through what could happen. I've spent maybe £600 in two occasions and no need to spend more (ok, my circumstances are not identical so this isn't gospel for you).

Regarding court. He can threaten as much as he likes. He cannot take you to court until you have been to mediation. So first step is he approaches a mediator company who contact you and suggest mediation. You can say yes please or no thank you. If you advise them of any domestic abuse (do look into this but I'll keep it separate for now) then you will not be expected to attend mediation.
Or choose to go if you think it appropriate and know you can back out if he acts like an arse.

So, let's assume you say no thank you (you do need a reason for this). Only then can he go to court. He has to get a lawyer to represent his case and apply. You would be summoned to the (his) local family court.

Next, the Court will appoint Cafcass to speak to you both. He will probably say lots of horrid things about you (she's mental). You meanwhile hold the upper hand and calmly tell them you are moving on with your life and just want the best situation for the children and show them the calm emails you sent him offering EOW and dinner once a week. You won't bad mouth him or offer an opinion other than ask them what do they think is best for young children starting school because you think home life near school is important at this age.

Cafcass make a report to the judge and the judge rules. You now have a court order regarding the children. You don't have to spend a single penny. He has spent upward of £6k on lawyers and court fees. You represented yourself quietly.

Of course it might not go like that, and you can read 100's of horror stories of when it goes wrong but if you are calm and making a new sensible life for the children, then you know this is the right thing to do so have some belief in yourself. I moved 45 min drive away. It was absolutely the right thing to do.

I would recommend you get some counselling before you get a lawyer to determine how he has negatively impacted your life and how you can now live a much happier life without him.

Sorry that was so long!! I was so similar to you. Longing for my ex to step up and be an amazing person, logical, kind, a kind parent. But no, he endlessly caused rows and sadness and disruption. Constantly blamed and accused me.

I haven't spoken to him in 3 years. When I used to do drop and collects, he drove both ways and swaps were done in public car parks. I kept all chat about him healthy with the kids (6 and 3 at split) and to this day, they don't hear me say anything negative about him.

I really did wash him out of my life.

usercheeselover · 08/04/2020 20:01

Oh and just claim via Child Maintenance. Don't discuss it with him. Just do it. They are annoying and stressful too because their system is all a bit bonkers but at least it is all being documented (although utterly irrelevant if / when court happens).
Call them tomorrow.

He really is a twat!

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/04/2020 20:14

Divorce and splitting up
Marilyn Stowe

Unsure12 · 08/04/2020 20:15

usercheeselover

Thank you so much, that’s has really help me massively. I will make a new email account tomorrow and speak to him on there only. I sent a letter to him (as advised by solicitor) stating EOW and once a week. Plus half of school holidays etc.

I have been seeing a private councillor for the last 4 weeks which has been massively beneficial to my mental health. I did self refer but that was going to be a lengthy process and I didn’t believe I could have waited.

I have spoke to child maintenance and put forward a claim. That is what he said he’s not paying (which is not possible they will take it regardless). I just wish it was all over and I could move on. He has his new life so why am I not entitled to mine? He’s not having his way anymore and I’m willing to put in the ground work for me and my babies.

OP posts:
Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/04/2020 20:18

It’s not cheap BUT
A lawyer can charge a lot
And I can recemmend a very good firm

As you are not married it’s really worth reading up

Financially it’s very patchy to be honest
But more clear cut on priorities around the children

But the book , read her blogs as you don’t want to be paying someone to tell you the basics

He is also a bully , and your ex

He has NO right to bully you and make demands

So I urge you to cease communications and ONLY start communicating in writing, formally and using legal terms

Save everything and be one step ahead

I say this not to prevent him seeing his kids but to stop him bullying you

Fucking twat he is

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/04/2020 20:21

And great advice from
usercheeselover

slipperywhensparticus · 08/04/2020 20:23

Go to your LEA register the kids as living in your area likewise doctors and dentist ring old lea tell them the place is no longer needed you have moved

Unsure12 · 08/04/2020 20:56

slippery thank you, I will do that tomorrow. It’s so hard though with not being able to get out and do things. I’m not sure if I can go register at the doctors/dentists with all the new rules about staying home. I will ring around and find out tomorrow. I just need to start doing what needs to be done. Thank you all again for your support.

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usercheeselover · 08/04/2020 21:04

You've got this Unsure12

You are already doing the right things. Now we have helped and confirmed this to you so please stand up and shout loudly that from here on, you WILL believe in yourself.

Ignoring him quite possibly will be time consuming!
Go to the relationships thread on MN and let off steam on us instead of retaliating back at him (which I guarantee is what he wants - lot of drama and you'll never guess what she did bullshit).

I challenge you to be as boring as hell to him Grin

Techway · 08/04/2020 21:25

Schools places are one area where parents have to agree and courts take a dim view of parents who act unilaterally so the circumstances behind you moving near to be explained and a judge would be sympathetic to his case. Ignoring abuse as it's hard to prove his case will be "ex moved my children an hour away and changed their school without any consultation to me, for continuity and lack of disruption they should remain in their nursery which is close to where I live". You have to see how it could be viewed from another perspective.

However ultimately the decision where the children live has to be on the child's best interests.

You need to firm up a school place where you now live and establish a plan for how you can house and support your children. You mention your work is close by to your mums, that is relevant.

Your only discussion should be around what contact you will offer and stress in communications that you want to ensure the children maintain a relationship with him, whilst living where you are now. Don't focus on him offering pickup etc as he will use that against you.

I think you will want to avoid court but may not be able to as he could apply for a prohibitive steps order to ask for the school place near your original home is retained. If that happens a Cafcass asssesment will take place..given lockdown it will all take much longer than usual.

BubblesBuddy · 09/04/2020 16:53

Unfortunately the op couldn’t stay in the house though. He said it’s is. She had to move out and go to her parents. If he had moved out, then presumably DC would have gone to the original school near their home. Getting a school place where the op lives has been forced upon her. So it’s difficult to see how she can put them in school one hour away when she appears to be the primary carer and was forced out of the home he says is his. So he will have to fight that but I think she’s being reasonable, especially as her family support is available.

BubblesBuddy · 09/04/2020 16:53

He said it’s his. Not “is”.

ItsAllTheDramaMickIJustLoveIt · 09/04/2020 17:05

Honestly? I’d stop engaging with him and just get on with enrolling the children in school near you. He can take you to court if he wishes but from a purely practical point of view, he won’t be able to have the children 50/50 all that easily as he lives an hour away from you, their resident parent(?) Definitely seek legal advice of course, the points you make here are completely reasonable and hard for him to argue with successfully.

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