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Mary Seacole Hospital?

145 replies

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 06/04/2020 10:36

The Scots have named their emergency hospital after some obscure WW1 nurse nobody's ever heard of. They chose not to take up the name of the Half-Scottish heroine of the Crimea who was so much more popular in her day than Florence Nightingale.

There's a campaign in Brum to get the NEC hospital named after Seacole, but it looks like it's going to be Nightingale Birmingham, and Nightingale Manchester and Nightingale everywhere else in England.

The Seacole debate rages in history-teaching and medical circles. She was basically a landlady who sold drinks to spectators at the battle then went back and got the soldiers drunk, and they loved her for it. Don't call her a nurse.

Against that, there's the inclusive agenda and the call for positive role-models.

Seacole Hospital, a proper recognition of a national heroine, or virtue-signalling fiction in place of real history.

It's the latter

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SoupDragon · 06/04/2020 10:39

Er.... OK.

Strawberrypancakes · 06/04/2020 10:40

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RedPanda2 · 06/04/2020 10:40

Bit bored are we, OP?

RedPanda2 · 06/04/2020 10:41

@Strawberrypancakes they have, OP is just a bit dim? And possibly racist.

Jammydodger1981 · 06/04/2020 10:42

I thought Mary Seacole wasn’t allowed to be an official nurse due to her skin colour?

MediocreOmens · 06/04/2020 10:42

I think you should do some more research on Mary Seacole. However, it’s a bit odd as I wasn’t aware she had connections to Scotland. Also these hospitals aren’t going to be around for long (hopefully), so I can’t get het up about the naming of them.

MediocreOmens · 06/04/2020 10:43

Ah sorry I misread the OP, ignore the bit about Seacole and Scotland!

Saucery · 06/04/2020 10:45

I learnt about her at school and I am Quite Old. Not Scottish either.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 06/04/2020 10:45

I think the OP is saying that they haven’t named it after Seacole but after an obscure WW1 nurse?

Alsohuman · 06/04/2020 10:46

Who have they named it after?

astropoodle · 06/04/2020 10:47

She's taught about in schools, I've taught about her in four different schools where it was part of the curriculum Biscuit

Alsohuman · 06/04/2020 10:48

Found it. Seems highly appropriate to me.

She gave her life working on the front line of an epidemic that spread with such ferocity, it infected more than 1,500 people a day.
Louisa Jordan is one of Scotland's treasured nurses.
Her career was brief, cut short at age 36 - her final post was tending to wounded soldiers in Serbia in 1915, during the height of a typhus outbreak.
The people of Serbia gather each year to commemorate her courage and sacrifice, as well as that of her colleagues.
Now she will be honoured in her home city, as a temporary hospital designed to fight the coronavirus will be named NHS Louisa Jordan.

itsgettingweird · 06/04/2020 10:49

How the hell has no one heard of Mary Seacole?

The kids all know who she is. They study it at school and horrid histories has loads of videos on it.

astropoodle · 06/04/2020 10:49

It sounds to me like the name is appropriate

Miranda15110 · 06/04/2020 10:51

I'm in Scotland and I would have voted for Louisa Jordan. She was a heroine.

itsgettingweird · 06/04/2020 10:52

Ok, having re read the replies and your OP numerous times I see that you are actually annoyed it isn't named after Mary Seacole?

You go on about virtue signalling but yet didn't make a clear OP.
Why not name the nurse they are naming it after and their reasons why?

Pieceofpurplesky · 06/04/2020 10:53

I can't work out what your op actually means

Ploppymoodypants · 06/04/2020 10:53

I completed a post graduate certificate called the Mary Seacole Programme through my NHS employers. I assure you she was more than a landlady who got the soldiers pissed!

couchparsnip · 06/04/2020 10:56

Where are you getting your information OP?
I was taught about her in school and so were my kids.She wasn't just a landlady. Her mother was a healer who passed down the family trade. She worked in various countries treating cholera patients and applied to become a nurse during the Crimean war.
She was turned down because of her skin colour so decided to set up her own covalescent hospital for soldiers known as the 'British hotel'.
She advocated sanitary procedures and infection control methods in her 'hotel' and saved many lives.
Where on earth have you heard she was just a landlady?

WickedlyPetite · 06/04/2020 11:00

Ahhhh ok, it HASN'T been named after Mary Seacole.

Had to re-read the OP three times to understand.

ghostyslovesheets · 06/04/2020 11:00

I know who she is

Have a Biscuit to go with the chip on your shoulder

1forsorrow · 06/04/2020 11:07

I think it would be nice to honour her. Does seem a bit off in this day and age that it is always Florence Nightingale who is honoured, posh white woman, while Mary Seacole, not posh black woman, is overlooked even though she did great work from everything I've heard.

Maybe it should be considered. Of course there are other nurses of note e.g. Sister Dora in the West Mids. Maybe the NEC should be named after her. I think there did used to be a Sister Dora hospital in Walsall. Don't know if it is still there.

Potionqueen · 06/04/2020 11:07

So a Scottish hospital was named after a heroic WW1 nurse? What’s your problem?

ChristmasCarcass · 06/04/2020 11:08

So it hasn’t been named after Mary Seacole, it’s been named after a famous Scottish WWI nurse, and you are annoyed about this because you think the inspirational Mary Seacole was just a landlady who got soldiers pissed and not a nurse at all? And getting pissed is such an inherently Scottish thing that they should have honoured her?

I have no idea what you are on about. Sounds like you have been at the brandy yourself.

megletthesecond · 06/04/2020 11:09

It would be very appropriate to name one of them after Mary Seacole.
I have her horrible histories song in my head now.

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