Mary Seacole Hospital?

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The Scots have named their emergency hospital after some obscure WW1 nurse nobody's ever heard of. They chose not to take up the name of the Half-Scottish heroine of the Crimea who was so much more popular in her day than Florence Nightingale.

There's a campaign in Brum to get the NEC hospital named after Seacole, but it looks like it's going to be Nightingale Birmingham, and Nightingale Manchester and Nightingale everywhere else in England.

The Seacole debate rages in history-teaching and medical circles. She was basically a landlady who sold drinks to spectators at the battle then went back and got the soldiers drunk, and they loved her for it. Don't call her a nurse.

Against that, there's the inclusive agenda and the call for positive role-models.

Seacole Hospital, a proper recognition of a national heroine, or virtue-signalling fiction in place of real history.

It's the latter

I'd never heard of Louisa Jordan either but looking her up on wikipedia it seems a really apt choice. I'd like it if there were Seacole and Cavell hospitals too, although both of these two have already had stuff named after them....Edith Cavell has a mountain!

So who was apparently a landlady not a nurse, mary secole or louisa jordan? Can’t make head or tail of the OP.

Apparently florence nightingale wasn’t actually a nurse. She was an epidemiologist.

The Scots have named their hospital after a Scottish Nurse who ran field hospitals. Just like the English have done.

I'm actually really happy that Nurses are being celebrated. It recognises the contributions nurses have made to infection control and puts nursing skills right at the forefront of treatment for Coronavirus where they belong.

They don't all go bankrupt because they have travelled to a war zone to help so I think there is bankrupt and bankrupt.

The hospital is in Glasgow and Louisa Jordan was born in Glasgow. Seems pretty apt.

Why do so many people have an issue with Scotland naming it's hospital after a Scottish nurse?

Imagine those uppity Scots having the temerity to name their hospital after a Scottish nurse... That's basically what the OP, various comments on other threads and the sniping on Twitter amounts too.

When the Glasgow hospital was named it was rumoured that the Birmingham hospital was going to be named after Mary Seacole and there was a couple of suggestions floating around for the Cardiff hospital.

If NHS England has decided to call all of their field hospitals Nightingale then that's fine, it doesn't make it automatically disrespectful, uppity or political points scoring for NHS Scotland to have made a difference decision.

*different

@alloutoffucks Mary Seacole was a “doctress” in the Jamaican/West African tradition. She ran businesses - how else would she fund expeditions around the world to tend to the sick and dying?
She couldn’t have trained as a nurse for the same reason she didn’t have full political rights - her skin colour

"She couldn’t have trained as a nurse for the same reason she didn’t have full political rights - her skin colour"

FN lived from 1820 - 1910
MS 1805 - 1881

The first female vote in a UK general election was 1918.

Nothing to do with skin colour

@umascooter

Nothing to do with skin colour? Where is this fact cited please?

so many 'facts' here.
FN a lesbian.
FN not buried at Westminster Abbey because she was a lesbian
MS not allowed to train as a nurse because of her skin colour
and never anything to back them up.

Louisa Jordan is genuinely huge in Serbia and bosnia

And flora sandes.

And yeah its nothing to do with skin colour. There were hundreds of black british at Trafalgar in 1805

The burden of proof is on you, Jangirl.

you arnt going to find a source saying randomly 'she had full political rights'

what was she called Genevieva? I have an idea of who it might be

@Umascooter I’m referring to persons of colour described, as Mary was, as “mulattos” not just voting rights in England and Wales

I don't understand how you think in a world in which only rich landowning men could vote, a mixed race nurse trailing the army would have got the vote if she was white?

By the way, Ignatius Sancho was the first black Briton to ever vote (as far as is known), in 1780 (the same year he died). Born on a slave ship.

The Seacole debate rages in history-teaching and medical circles. She was basically a landlady who sold drinks to spectators at the battle then went back and got the soldiers drunk, and they loved her for it. Don't call her a nurse.
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I'd like to know from where you got that information.

I've read a lot about Mary Seacole from the 1980s and never came across such nonsense. Many people have heard of her!

"She couldn’t have trained as a nurse for the same reason she didn’t have full political rights - her skin colour"

No, she couldn't have trained as a nurse because formal nurse training didn't exist.