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To talk to you about life in Spain right now

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Changednamesorry · 05/04/2020 14:08

In case UK follows many other countries and tightens the rules, I made a post about what it's like here in Spain.

A few things worth buying. Vitamin D for kids in case you are not allowed to take them out from next week, especially if you have no outside space. Craft materials (these are now very scarce here as supermarkets have had to close that section if they had it to discourage browsing). Disney Plus for movie nights. Microwave popcorn!

I live in Spain. We have an apartment in the city centre and no outside space at all. I am separated from my son's father but we chose for him to move in just before the lockdown as we saw it coming in the news and wanted to ensure the kids were not separated from him for months on end. We get on very well, I appreciate this is not an option for everyone. We also have a flatmate who is a lovely 27 year old Portuguese guy. So we are 3 adults and 2 kids in 115 square metres of space..... And that's better than some of our friends who live in 60 or 70 square metre apartments. Spanish children have not been outside for 3 weeks. My sons are 9 and 3 and normally active boys doing lots of sports and we are normally out of the house every day between 8am and 8:30pm. That has all changed. Schools are fully closed and have been since 13th March, no exceptions.

  1. How are people coping with kids?
Varying levels of coping, of course. Here with the little one I bake, do drawing, dance, play football inside etc. For the older one I made little bags. One has basketball drills (his favorite sport) which he does 2 a day. One has exercise sets (I will post an example), one has different amounts of screen time and one has activities linked to school (maths, history, Spanish, English, science projects, baking etc). He chooses 3 of those.
  1. Grocery shopping.
My ex goes to the shops once every 6 days. That's it. You are asked to carry a paper justifying your journey. You can not go to whatever shop you choose. You must go to the closest one to home. If you are caught turning this into a walk you will be stopped and fined between 600 and 30000 euros. If the police decide you are covering up a walk with a "shopping trip".... Fined. Someone I know was fined 200 euros for only buying a can of coke and a chocolate. We have not seen scenes of panic buying or bulk buying here, possibly because in cities most do not have a car so you take a granny trolley and a couple of bags for life so no space for millones of toilet paper etc. This may be different in rural areas but there haven't been many reports of it (I haven't seen any, in fact). People wear a mask and gloves and supermarkets make you queue outside 2 meters apart and don't let many people in at a time. Most supermarkets also provide gloves and require you to wear them.
  1. What can you leave the house for?
Essential food shopping, pharmacy, medical appointments, essential workers, walk your dog (but only so he can go to the toilet... No big long walks) Only allowed to leave the house individually unless you are accompanying someone who is unable to go alone.

4.Can you use your garden or roof terrace?
If it is for private use, yes. If it is for communal use (shared garden or roof terrace with other flats), no. You'll get fined as if you were outside.

  1. Clapping?
Yes. Every night for keyworkers at 8pm. Most people join in. Slight difference with UK is its unusual for kids to be in bed before 9pm here. Occasionally will be extra one for kids at 6pm.
  1. Doctors appointments
All non urgent appointments canceled. Telephone appointments with emailed prescriptions available and I had one within an hour of asking.

Please stay safe. It's difficult, but it's not forever and it will be less time the more people abide by the rules. Feel free to ask any questions and I will try to answer. It's tough, but we are coping. So will you if the UK tightens the rules for a while.

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Aesopfable · 06/04/2020 18:14

UHT milk is as scarce as hens teeth. I have seen even less of it than pasta, flour or tinned tomatoes.

Noodlenosefraggle · 06/04/2020 18:16

We buy UHT milk which does not need to be refrigerated until it's opened. Could you do that perhaps?
That was one of the first things to run out hereGrin I use it in my yoghurt maker and I can usually buy tons of it!
I think it may be a cultural difference but in the main, most people are complying here. I suspect the press are just highlighting small pockets. I have family in Portugal and most people do live in flats so there is not the same difference between people with gardens and those without. There is no sunbathing in the park, because its always sunny so they don't need to run outside at the first sight of the sun because it may be raining tomorrow ( It was!) Hope you're getting to the other side OP.

bytheseaby123 · 06/04/2020 18:17

How so you prove you need to go to the supermarket? What kind of papers? Thank you

roxanne119 · 06/04/2020 18:20

Bless you nothing but admiration here 😮. Look people this is what Will happen to us if you dont

roxanne119 · 06/04/2020 18:21

Listen

AuldAlliance · 06/04/2020 18:37

@bytheseaby123
In France, there is a form to print off (or you can write your own, but it takes a while), with personal details and then boxes to tick, indicating why you are out. Going to buy essential items (food or items needed for work) is one.
You fill in the date and time you leave the house.

BirdandSparrow · 06/04/2020 18:42

We don't have to fill in papers, which is why people are keeping receipts to prove where they've been. To prove you're going there? Well, I think they're fining people who look like they're taking the piss rather than anyone who can't prove they're on their way to Mercadona for the weekly shop. I've heard of someone being fined because he'd driven to the petrol station and not filled up, just bought sweets, but from the reports it sounds like he lied and then made something up and then was aggessive, so I'm not really surprised he got a fine.

cherish123 · 06/04/2020 18:44

Thanks for sharing. Take care. X

bytheseaby123 · 06/04/2020 18:49

@AuldAlliance @BirdandSparrow Thank you that is really helpful I appreciate it.

Comefromaway · 06/04/2020 18:52

Yes, we have tried on numerous occasions to buy UHT milk. We are very lucky that we managed to get a borrowed mini fridge, microwave and electric griddle before lockdown happened. I’m also using a cool box and ice packs.

At the moment I am travelling the 10 mins by car to our old house to use the washing machine there. (Sale fell through and all on hold now of course). It’s a lot closer than our nearest launderette but if it came to it we’d have to use one. (I’m washing what I can by hand).

Comefromaway · 06/04/2020 18:54

We have been able to buy those Weetabix breakfast drinks which Ds uses on his cereal thus using less fresh milk. (God help his sugar intake). Tried to get yazoo last week but no luck.

MrsT1405 · 06/04/2020 19:20

I'm in Catalonia and it's been really tough but not as bad as for people with children. I'm also lucky that being retired my income is not effected. Most of the locals rely on the tourist trade and will really suffer. Everything was winding up for Easter when all this happened. Theres so much unemployment anyway people will really suffer.
Our supermarkets are open but your checked off by the local police to make sure your not going too often.
There are semi military police here as well as local police. You tend to do as you're told.

Rachand23 · 06/04/2020 19:21

DH is Spanish but we live in the UK. Don’t think everyone is behaving themselves in Spain as my bil is up to his old tricks staying out all night on the piss! Must be going to friends homes. They do live in the countryside though perhaps that’s why he can get away with it!

BirdandSparrow · 06/04/2020 19:31

I expect you'd get away with things more in somewhere more rural. It must be houses as there are no bars open.

Changednamesorry · 06/04/2020 20:32

@Rachand23 blimey. He's taking a hell of a risk. The fines for that can run into the tens of thousands Shock

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Changednamesorry · 06/04/2020 20:35

@bytheseaby123 this is the form you can print out or fill in online and carry your phone. It's "optional" but recommended

To talk to you about life in Spain right now
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CatAndHisKit · 06/04/2020 21:01

OP what if you haven't got a car - how can you NOT turn the supermarket trip to a walk (as I do)? or are non drivers allowed if they carry a paper to say this?

CatAndHisKit · 06/04/2020 21:02

can you use a bus for supermarkets also - in our town they are empty pretty much.

Roussillon849 · 06/04/2020 21:57

Thank you for sharing, OP. That Facebook post made me well up. That is my hometown (my username might sound familiar if you know l'Eixample), where I was born and raised until I moved to the UK many moons ago, and I've never seen those streets so empty in my life. It is incredibly eerie.

I know from family and friends that what you describe is 100% accurate. I can also report that where I live in England many people are unwilling or unable to comply with the 2m distance rule when passing others in the street. In my heart of hearts I feel strongly we're headed for the same strict lockdown you've got now.

Stay safe.

CaptainNelson · 06/04/2020 22:17

@Tanith
This is some research into the surface stability of the virus on different surfaces:
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home
It says up to 72 hours on some kinds of surfaces (plastic and stainless steel). They only measured specific materials but it gives you an idea.
I've also heard that it will survive less time on outside surfaces due to temperature changes, UV light, etc

mrsfury · 06/04/2020 22:41

I am in the canaries day 23 of lockdown. I have noticed that today there has been even more police presence (I live on a normally very busy road, main road into the town) than normal. My next door neighbour was given a fine yesterday whilst walking his dog 600€! Apparently he was more than 50m from the house.

It really is no joke. I look forward to the clapping every night at 7pm as otherwise I wouldn't see anyone.

I work in a hotel and there are talks now that hotels will remain closed until September time which could severely affect an island that is heavily reliant on tourism!

Changednamesorry · 06/04/2020 22:51

@CatAndHisKit I don't drive and neither do most of my friends. Most car travel as i understand it (could be wrong as no direct experience) involves police checkpoints and random checks. You do carry the paper whether walking or driving. Again. Not obligatory.... Just..... HIGHLY recommended.

@Roussillon849
I do indeed recognize it! I hope you and your family are well. The good news is it does look like the curve miiiiight be flattening now!

@mrsfury yes I look forward to the clapping every night too as do the kids. Stay safe.

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mylifestory · 06/04/2020 23:11

I have family in Spain so have watched them saying they had watched italy before them.
Where I am in London the parks are full, the outdoor activities which have been locked/boarded up etc have been broken into and used daily. I have been out twice in 3 weeks and both times had bad experiences, like with ppl pretending to cough at me! All I can see outside are cyclists, and joggers seeming very entitled to their outside life.
I've been at home since, mostly trying to order some sort of food online for the 3 of us. (Myself, an elderly 1 and a child) I am unsure if I have an illness which wd make me self isolate for 3 months and my surgery are unable to tell me 😕

Very luckily I have savings, and always have enough food in the house for a 3 month war. Whos laughing now.... I applaud Boris for his handling of this and wish him the best very soon xx

Poliann · 07/04/2020 00:23

Changednamesorry - thank you for such a good insight to what's happening where you are in Spain. It's been really interesting to read what it's like for other people in other countries. Keep safe x

JosieJasper · 07/04/2020 00:28

Unfortunately in my part of the UK South East (by the sea) the lovely weather has meant there are far too many people out and about. I can give so many examples of entitled behaviour and reasons given as to why it’s ok for them to be hanging around and why they aren’t causing any harm. They’re just not getting it and become very rude and abusive. I know it is still the minority but it feels like a bloody big minority Angry