Covid 19 immunisations - would you have it?

[Toooldfornonsense]

Just that really. If and when one becomes available, would you have it?

Taking into consideration the lack of testing time on side effects (I’m meaning years not weeks or months).

Also say if we are tested for immunity and had already had the virus. Would you still have an immunisation? Really interested to hear everyone’s view.

Yes.

I will send links. I promise! I'm currently in bed with my 5 year old in my phone, I need my laptop. I vividly remember at the time that despite the link being accepted (but not understood) between the vaccine and the narcolepsy, Cameron tried to weasel out of paying the statutory entitlement under our Vaccine Damage Fund. The court disagreed, fortunately, although the entitlement was paltry. It was covered in The Guardian.

Please search 'BBC swine flu vaccine narcolepsy' to get some info, there's an article from 2013.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince
There's no evidence so far of permanent lung damage caused by Covid 19. There are scans of recovered patients showing lung damage - but this is quite normal after pneumonia. The lungs take some months to recover from pneumonia, and visible damage on a scan is to be expected. It's only been 3 months since the first patients recovered - too early to say whether there is permanent damage.

I will likely be confined to my house and unable to see my family until I get a vaccine. So yes.

I'm unsure of the reason for the skepticism, this story was well-covered in the media at the time.

Someone has to be first and I'm not a mother. I know that my life is worth less because of this.

Nobody's life is worth less than anyone else's. Please don't think that way

I would absolutely have it if I tested negative for antibodies.

If positive (and it was assured that re-infection highly unlikely) then I'd decline and hope that someone more in need would get it instead.

Sure, and the children were compensated in 2013. I found it unforgettable I guess because the children took one for the herd, and the herd didn't look after them. Cameron's behaviour was appalling. One little boy got the vaccine to protect his grandad undergoing cancer treatment.

Smile here is the BBC link, which confirms that a link was accepted between the neurological damage suffered by the children, and the particular vaccine that was used in the UK.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-21197394

Smile, here is one of The Guardian articles, which details the unsuccessful attempt by the UK Government to withhold compensation for those damaged by the vaccine, and the High Court's rejection of the government's case.

www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-stop-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases

Jesus what a pitiful pay out for wreaking that boys life.

I hope people that so quick to have anything jabbed in to them rethink now

Honestly, why the hostility? I literally typed 'the guardian swine flu narcolepsy' into google, and loads of articles came up, which I read at the time they were published. This stuff is not hard to find - I was in bed with my 5 year old until 10 minutes ago, got up and did this straight away - I haven't even made a cup of tea yet (morning here in Australia, where I am)! I wish all of us the very best at this difficult time - and part of wishing us all best is that I don't want a fast-tracked vaccine for Covid, developed outside of normal safety protocols. The track record isn't great for rushing vaccines. Here's another interesting piece (from Reuters, so again, mainstream media) about the dangers of rushing this particular vaccine.
www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-insight-idUSKBN20Y1GZ

Sorry Summer, that was at Smile - I was feeling under pressure to link sources that ended up taking 5 seconds to google. I apologise if I've been rude to anyone.

BoingBoingyBoing

Absolutely I would. Should be mandatory for anyone who has no health reason not to have it.

Mandate an experimental vaccine? You crazy?! How about effects on fertility? How about effects on the brain function of young children that might take months or years to show up? How about any other injury that might take longer than a couple of months to show up in normal testing? You'd risk maiming the entire population!

Sure, and the children were compensated in 2013.

And some were still awaiting compensation in 2017. There were 2 groups, depending on how debilitating the narcolepsy was, the first group got pay outs in 2013, the second was later and less (colleagues son was group 2).

I appreciate that the actual vaccine will have been developed in the same ways as other ones, but I'm wary of any treatment that doesn't have a history for recording side effects. There certainly will not be years of clinical trials, soft releases and yellow cards.

If one of my children were in a vulnerable group I may be more inclined, and my decision will probably hinge on whether the vaccine is to get herd immunity or direct protection of the vulnerable (e.g. polio Vs flu vaccines).

Nope, not me. I'm pretty sure I've had the virus but even I hadn't I wouldn't have this vaccination. Not enough testing or sufficient time to collect data about side effects.

Also, the idea that anyone who questions scientists / medical professionals is 'arrogant' is puzzling to me. They are human and make mistakes like anyone else, especially when dealing with a new virus. It was the Chief Scientific and Medical officers who advised Johnson to follow the herd immunity policy. They assured him that once 60% of the population had been infected herd immunity would kick in and all would be well So experts get things wrong and no-one should be forced to unquestionably accept their advice.

No need to apologise skeptile. I’m glad you’ve brought it up to show that the government do use people as lab rats

The link between swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) and narcolepsy in children and young people is well evidenced... around 1 in 50,000.

Of course vaccine damage is real. That is why we have a scheme in recognition of this.

If a COVID-19 Vaccine is proved safe and statistically likely to lower the disease burden then of course any right-thinking person who can safely do so, should get it. But secure evidence needs to be in place first. Insisting on that doesnt make you an antivaxxer . Alongside the many absolutely fabulous and remarkable drugs that have been developed to keep us alive (and I even include SSRIs in that, as they have me) there are many that are successfully marketed despite compelling and usually secret evidence that they either don't work or are actively harmful to subsets of patients.

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking here

So Smile we should all keep quiet then when genuine issues with vaccines are revealed?

Not straight away, no. I've had rather bad reactions to two different vaccines already so not keen on being a guinea pig. Once it's been around for a while I would if necessary (I don't have the flu vaccine for the same reason btw, I might if I developed asthma for example).

Yes