Is it really safe for everybody to be out in the garden/exercising daily?

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I have seen a lot of posts about how people are going to be having BBQS this weekend due to nice weather. My question is, is it really completely safe to do so?

I’m more referring to houses that are situated close together but I don’t really see how high numbers of people out in their gardens eating food is much different to high numbers of people having a picnic in a field (with a 2 metre distance)?

I am aware the virus is not airborne at certain proximities But people are still catching virus even with lockdown.

I also wonder about the daily one hour exercise allowance. My step son has been going out for daily walks and playing in the garden but other than that has been completely isolated from people and has been at home with his mum. However, he has now developed a cold and a cough. Even if this is not the Coronavirus he has obviously picked germs up from somewhere?

Do you think it is completely safe to be leaving the house? I have probably become quite irrational and we do not leave the house at all other than the twice we have needed to shop in 3 weeks.

I sort of think that the daily allowance of exercise has been put in place to throw people a bone and help with overall isolation adherence, rather than it being completely risk free.

I'm pretty sure the garden is ok. As long as you wash your hands before eating or touching your face.
My children have been outside for half an hour every day since the schools closed. I'm not taking any chances taking them further. We havent left our boundy line for 2 weeks! Aweful considering we live practically next to a national park that is beautiful this time of year. Explaining to my 5year old why we cant go has been soo hard. I'm not about to take their garden away as well 🤷‍♀️

But @mummymayo you can take them out.

Possibly a silly question @MummyMayo1988 but why aren't they allowed out for longer than half an hour a day?

@Greenpop21 - I'm just saying that they can see their friends from school walking past. Obviously going into the park. When I say out I mean the garden.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat - because their boys and they'd rather be in the house watching telly 🤷‍♀️🤣 I've had to drag them out into their "boring back garden" every day for 2 weeks.
They'd rather be at the park on the swings, exploring or fishing.
We had the hose pipe out today so they've been playing in the water all day.

I'm getting a bit worried now about a more restrictive lockdown. Thanks to all of the people who have gone out this weekend to enjoy the nice weather when they didn't need to, the rest of us may get restricted too.

It sounds like the government might be planning on restricting all exercise, so only allowing you out to the shops and work. Hopefully though if they do it, it will slow down the rate of people falling ill.

@MummyMayo1988 that makes sense, I thought you were only letting them out for half an hour!

The hours exercise is branded about loads when the doctors and politicians are talking on the tv, more recently I saw the gp Philipa on This Morning and she too was quoting one hours exercise. Seems to be a spoken rule rather than a published one, wish they would make their mind up!

It takes me 45 mins to walk to the nearest food shop and, obviously, 45 mins to walk back again. So I'd like to see anyone trying to enforce a 'no exercise' rule, if you don't have a car and don't live near a shop.

The hour this is, obviously, just an average, taken from the fact that some people (myself included) would think an hour of exercise was pitiful, and others would barely stir themselves from a sitting position from one week to the next.

Well, when I'm in my own garden there's no risk at all of people's children or dogs running over to me.

I don't have to be constantly repositioning myself to maintain a 2m distance as I'm not at the mercy of other people.

I'm also not being a selfish fuck, making life difficult for those who genuinely just want a nice stroll.

I had a BBQ today with my next door neighbours.
We slid the fence panel out from the slotted concrete posts in order to see and speak to each other while seated.
They sat at their patio set and we sat at ours, we were around 12 feet away from them with the food and drink in the middle.
We had a good time.

It’s much safer in your garden I would say than all the people still being forced To go out to non essential work in finance/construction/ home (non food) shopping

The UK government is calculating that '' herd immunity '' will come about whatever , and herd immunity is their long-term strategy ...with a death toll of 50 000 + over the year or two . The current government was/ is not up to the job and was very slow to react in February .... but is convinced it can continue to barin-wash the proles and control us simpletons .... as it did during the election campaign . It seems that most of what they want us to think is made up propaganda and white lies . ( BUT Take a look at Russia - which has a very hard line and is clamping down like a fascist state in Moscow by using FRT )

@PinkSparklyPussyCat - Oh god no! 🤣
I've got 3 boys at home - 10, 5 and 1 plus DH. They're outside as much as possible between school work.
How about you?
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I have a medium size garden
Even if I sat in mine as did NDN each side we would be at least 3m apart
I sat outside today for 1/2 hour mainly because was too windy
Neither of them were out at same time

I don’t have any children, just a very bored husband who currently can’t work as he’s a self employed handyman! I’m working from home so he’s a full time househusband!

I haven’t been going for walks, just pottering around the garden. We live near the river and the towpath has suddenly become very popular with people who don’t seem to understand the 2m rule!

You can’t really stand 2n apart on a towpath can you?

Obesity and inactive lifestyles kill more people than covid 19 ever will. In fact being obese is a strong risk factor for death as a result of the virus. If you want to be a burden on the NHS by all means stay indoors for 12 weeks.
People are still catching the virus because many are not in lockdown - NHS staff, supermarket, delivery, warehouse, politicians, TV presenters, transport workers, vets, teachers etc etc

You can’t really stand 2n apart on a towpath can you?

It is actually wide enough if people used their common sense but they don't. It narrows down in a couple of places but it's easy to see someone coming so you can just wait for them to pass.

I’ve done this several times when walking my dog.Ive had several people shake their heads and laugh at me. This morning an elderly lady thanked me when I walked into the (quiet) road with my dog so that she could continue on the path. I don’t know what it is that makes people think rules are not for them.

Obesity and inactive lifestyles kill more people than covid 19 ever will.

Yes, but if three weeks at home is not going to be the tipping point between good health and obesity, is it? I mean, what are you doing if it is?

There has acidentally been an interesting experiment, on the Diamond Princess.

There were 3711 passengers and crew on board and there were 3063 tests for Covid-19 performed. Of those 634 were positive, about 20%.

Of the positive tests, 306 showed symptoms of the disease and 328 were asymptomatic. 10 died.

Before quarantine was imposed 1 person apparently infected 7 others on average, after, each 1 person infected fewer than 1.

The 'sample' (ie passengers and crew on board) consisted of a significantly larger number of over 70s than the general population. They were in a more confined space for a much longer period than most of the population is and the air conditioning did not use HEPA filters.

I don't think anyone would claim that the sample size is sufficient to draw any firm conclusions, but it offers some helpful pointers. I think it suggests that, although there will be outliers, most of the reasonably healthy population, keeping away from infection foci such as ITUs, should not be reckless, but nor should they panic.

It's reported in Nature.

Yes, but if three weeks at home is not going to be the tipping point between good health and obesity, is it? I mean, what are you doing if it is?
That's why I'm not buying the obesity arguments.

If someone is obese then they are probably already sedentary and last I'd seen on fitness forums and sites it's advised you get medical advice before starting new exercise if you're obese.
If someone is a bit overweight then dietary changes will have a bigger impact than going out and about all the time.
If someone is within the healthy range then they need to use common sense and adjust their food intake according to their level of exercise.

It's hard to out train a bad diet and nutrition is a large factor in weight gain/loss.

I'm all for keeping outdoor exercise and usually run and cycle multiple times a week when I can, and I also think it's probably a good thing that people are doing Joe Wicks PE and walking more. But I don't buy the idea that a couple of weeks limited exercise is going to be the cause or major factor in some kind of obesity crisis. Most people on the verge of obesity are already sedentary.

If you want to be a burden on the NHS by all means stay indoors for 12 weeks

That’ll be the same NHS that is telling me to stay indoors for minimum 12 weeks?

I am staying in my own home. I am not however inactive. You do not have to go out to exercise, do I think it’s a bit false as an ‘either/or’

Yes, I'm in the shielded group too. I can still do yoga and can use the exercise bike. If I become obese over the next 12 weeks then that will reflect on my own poor choices.

We were dropping the children of yo school in the mornings and picking them up, now the schools are closed, it feels like a long school holiday.. now the nice weather is here, we are in seasonal mode. It shows the difference between the private Sector and Public Sector, we don’t see what is happening in the hospitals at the moment, it sounds madness to everyone at the moment, Facebook is a helpful tool to ascertain what is happening everywhere, I think the funny side is wearing thin I think 😄😀