Has anyone seen what's going on on India?

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I've just seen some of the footage and am reduced to tears. People bring beaten in the streets. Migrants being forced to bathe in disinfectant spray. People breaking down because they fear they are going to starve to death before coronavirus has a chance to take them. I'm quarter Indian and whilst I have no real connection to India other than that, I couldn't help but feel utterly hopeless for them.

I agree with everything FleaTrainer has posted on this thread. I also don’t believe we should be engaging in a race to the bottom. Yes, the freedom we have in Europe is much greater than people in most of the rest of the world have. That doesn’t make it whining about first world problems to worry about losing even a tiny bit of that freedom.

Beetrock
This is a thread diversion, but since you mentioned it:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/08/relentless-use-stop-search-helps-reduce-murders-first-time-five/

My friend is Indian. She has family there. Truly horrifying and I'm very worried for her.

The BBC news is childish, anecdotal, biased, censored and narrow
Yes, it’s gossipy and sugar coats the little it selects to show.

I find World BBC much better, I second Aljazeera, Channel 4 is also OK but the international channels give a better rounded picture. If you can understand other languages, even better choice.

I must confess to watching RT every now and then for the amusement factor alone.

The thing is, we only see what the camera sees and if the camera isn’t there we’ll never see it. It’s often one angle or no angle at all. More obscure or local channels bring out stories days before mainstream media declare it is their own big story.

I haven’t yet found a levelled American news channel, they seem to be very centred on their own stories.

I hope that what is going on right now will make people understand, at last, that we are all global and interlinked. It’s time people get their head out of their own arse. I mean people who actually have access to news and free speech and who can’t see beyond the end of their own nose, can only see their own needs. Poor and rich alike.

Seriously?

Clue is in the leader ''Relentless' use of stop and search helps reduce murders for first time in five years, police chief says'.

Well the police would defend a highly controversial tactic wouldn't they? Blimey.

I give you (met)
Shooting 2 people and than lying about the circs (that I know of) one of which was the trigger for riots
John warboys
Kirk Reid
Massive failings in sapphire unit
Corruption/ selling stories to press
Excellent record for black men in custody dying in disproportionate numbers and no real action or explanation
That chap who died during done demos and they lied about that... Oh yes and they had covered their faces and removed ID numbers before going into that situation
Was it the met who thought it was a good use of time to infiltrate environmentalist groups and lie to women, have long term relationships, and then vanish? Women in environmentalist groups in the 80s were a massive threat

Etc etc etc just London there.

The 'authorities' are highly fallible and examples over and over of inaction/ poor decisions. Blind eye to abuse in Rotherham etc etc. Over and over and over. 'lessons learned'.

It is naive in the extreme to say oh yeah loads more power aok, stopping people who are not breaking or suspected to be breaking the law aok, and that there won't be bias in the groups who are under the spotlight for this.

Just keep an eye on things. This is unprecedented. And the police immediately started enforcing things that were not the law. That's worrying.

What do you think of London's skyrocketing murder rate? Do you think the police should not be able to stop and search people? How many kids need to die on the capital's streets?

"Skyrocketing"? I suppose that's where you measure from.

From Wikipedia:

Between 1990 and 2003 the number of homicides—i.e. murder, manslaughter, etc.—in London averaged 173 per year, with a low of 139 in 1996, and a high of 204 in 2003.

As of 31 December 2019, the number of homicides [in 2019] reported reached 149, the highest in a decade.

So, yes, it's higher than it has been but still less than it was 20 years ago. It's probably more interesting to ask why it was so much lower for several years. But questions like that don't sell newspapers.

Yes, it is terrifying. Poor Migrant workers. This Pandemic is a curse, it has turned people into savages in some instances.
So unfair to so many.

That's because the concept of relative poverty dominates the West. Access to Free healthcare? Free education? Much of the planet doesn't have access to clean drinking water.

Exactly. No matter how poor you are in the UK, you have access to free healthcare and clean water.

An abuse victim out of the care system and sleeping rough in the UK is in a pretty grim situation. What does it benefit to say oh they're lucky really compared to X?

It doesn’t benefit them on a singular level, but they have a privilege nonetheless.

Not everyone in UK can access those things. With closure of public toilets and decimation of support services, there are plenty of people on the streets struggling to stay clean and safe.

The idea that a street sleeping female abuse victim is privileged is grim.

Why do we need a race to the bottom.

The police have to be firm - remember in India people die all the time. The government isn’t doing this to protect the elderly, it’s doing this to protect the young who have no access to healthcare (probably the majority of the population).

The “Police have to be firm” and “People die every day” WTAF! It appears we have a spokesperson for the BJP here. Modi and his cohorts do not give a crap about the population in general, look what he did with the recent ‘citizen tests’.

no one wants to live in a world ruled by psychopaths yet here we are, makes me VERY angry.

I have lived and worked in India for a number of years and came back to the UK a few months ago.

I am not shocked at how the situation has been dealt with in India, but knowing how hard it is for the vast majority of the population just to house, clothe and feed family's, many people will suffer even more than they do already.

Weeks ago I said to my family if this gets to India, we will never really know how many will die or be infected, I think of all the people who live along the sides of the road, under bridges and underpasses who have nothing, trying to do their best just to survive, its a terrible terrible situation.

I have been talking to friends and other ex-pats who are now being 'interviewed ' by the authority as to where they have been, and have stickers put on their doors saying quarantine stay away. Some fear they may be evicted.

I have seen plenty of reporting on different channels and its desperately, desperately sad watching all those workers trying to get home.

A couple of dh’s Indian colleagues were beaten when they left work when this was first put in place so they couldn’t go into work at all . It’s horrific

Just want to say that people should watch different news outlets for a more rounded view of the world. Al Jazeera, France24, CNN , Euronews and others

Agent Johnson yes of course they don't... I think you need to be a bit more informed and do more thorough research (looking carefully at the sources to do so) before you make off the cuff comments like that.

I'm not at all surprised by what has been going on. Different countries have different circumstances and their isn't a "one size fits all" approach to dealing with the coronavirus crisis. Yes it wouldn't be acceptable in Britain, but who are we to impose our standards on other countries?

That chap who died during done demos

Blair Peach?

Recoverandthrive

There’s nothing off the cuff about my remarks, unfortunately the unfairness and blatant bigotry of Mr Modi’s ‘citizenship’ laws are clear for everyone to see.

No hyperbole here-India spends $4 billion dollars on nuclear weapons and $6billion on S-40 Russian missiles and yet is given ‘aid’ £millions of pounds by UK - I really hope this crisis does at least bring about a ‘new world order’

Mombassa is just as bad. I have videos sent to be by my family who live there but there’s also plenty to be found online

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/03/kenya-police-fire-excessive-force-curfew-begins-200328101357933.html

Horrific to watch but sadly unsurprising. I travelled all over in my twenties but India was the only place I ever felt uneasy. Too many men idling about and threat just hung in the air. It has some spectacular architecture and a fascinating history so I had been so looking forward to it but I was so relieved to get out of there and would never go back.

Have you seen Ecuador? Collapsed health system, dead bodies slumped all over hospitals, queues of dying outside hospitals, no beds, no oxygen, people driven to hospital in the back of trucks only to be told they cant be treated, dead lying in streets, dead being bundled into backs of cars, dead being burned in streets with furniture bonfires.

Lots of videos a little way down on this twitter detailing the above. Caution advised, it’s distressing content, leaving purely as a reference source. mobile.twitter.com/hotpinkchihuah1

This will be repeated all over the world. People moaning about being privileged enough to be able to isolate really fucking piss me off.

YouAre I agree with you. It’s devastating.

A relative is currently stuck in India right now and the situation is just awful. The police out there are so corrupt so there isn't any kind of control at all. Quite a scary place to be amidst this outbreak.

My husband's colleague who is working here, but from Indonesia, read that the army (UK) were all on standby and the start of the lockdown, and she was very scared. He had to reassure her that it was completely normal in the UK that the army and armed forces help out in times of national emergency, natural disasters etc. She was imagining that soldiers would be patrolling and checking up on people shopping or exercising.

I read reports over the weekend from places such as Uganda and citizens were saying "oh lockdown is standard for us, we're used to it" and commenting that the army was often out running things.

Again, I say, we are so fortunate to have the society and institutions we have. I know things aren't perfect, but if I see someone in uniform my first thought isn't fear, and I don't feel my stomach crunching into knots.