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Fruit and veg to run out if farms don't get pickers

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SudokuQueen · 29/03/2020 14:44

www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

Why do we actually need to fly people in from other countries when there are a ton of people not working now due to corona killing off their jobs?

Unemployment has gone up by tens of thousands in a week. Just a week. It will only increase.

Food pickers are keyworkers so can go out to do this. Why can't we just get the new unemployed to do this? Yeah it might not be the amount of money you were getting before, but I bet its better than benefits.

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TheClitterati · 30/03/2020 08:01

@hopefulhalf I did lots of fruit picking as a teen - strawberries mostly. Where I grew up it was very popular work for teens, and older people. My mum worked in the packing sheds.

TheClitterati · 30/03/2020 08:02

It beggars belief that the UK can't figure out a way to pick & pack it's own vital food.

Standrewsschool · 30/03/2020 08:03

@hopefulhalf - locally they are Advertisimg for over 18 year olds, also in Kent.

cinammonbuns · 30/03/2020 08:33

@cakeisalwaystheanswer what planet do you live on that you believe British students would pick fruit on farms Confused

This is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here.

Strugglingtodomybest · 30/03/2020 08:37

@Devlesko thanks for the clip, things really have changed haven't they? And thanks to the pp who gave a potted history of who's done the picking in the past, it's all very interesting.

Strugglingtodomybest · 30/03/2020 08:40

The government probably probably needs to commandeer farms, paying them a proportion of the profit so decent standards for production/workers are maintained?

Ooo sounds a bit like communism to me! I'm up for it, but unfortunately we elected the wrong chap for that plan Wink

drspouse · 30/03/2020 08:51

I'm not a keyworker though I'm in a professional job that's continuing and there are people that rely on me and who would be really stuffed if I gave up work (think e.g. careers work).
But we go and pick fruit at the PYO with the DCs in the summer. I still have frozen apples and blackcurrants from this. We would happily pick most of the fruit/beans etc we use ourselves if it was allowed. Only it's about a half hour drive and we'd have to have a slot to socially distance.

HennyPenny4 · 30/03/2020 09:13

It beggars belief that the UK can't figure out a way to pick & pack it's own vital food

Well I suppose they can arm the police, get them to bang on doors and frogmarch people to the fields - or the farms can ask for more British workers and volunteers , which, with the present unemployment and lockdown, they are likely to get.

HennyPenny4 · 30/03/2020 09:19

It said on radio 4 Farming today earlier in the week that thousands of people, 9,500 I think it was, had applied for a job picking hops this year so this sounds like DM scary headlining.

Obviouspretzel · 30/03/2020 09:25

Plenty of UK students would pick fruit. Not all of them, no. But I know several who worked abroad picking fruit in difficult conditions for part of a gap year. And many would be interested in helping in these tough times.

Not all students are lazy stoners who don't give a fuck you know.

EerieSilence · 30/03/2020 09:32

They should make it mandatory for the unemployed to go through a questionnaire to check their suitability to work on a farm.
If there's no disability, they should engage police, military and local authorities to make it mandatory for those sitting idly at home and collecting their benefits to go and pick fruits and veggies.
It's work on fresh air, good working conditions, good salary and maybe the farmer will even allow for some fruits and veggies to be brought home. At this stage, it's negotiable.
And keep the rule for the future, FFS. Too many scroungers, too little money in social welfare, especially with the crisis coming. The snowflakes of today are too spoilt.

BarbedBloom · 30/03/2020 09:39

Oh fgs. What a load of rubbish above.

MaxNormal · 30/03/2020 09:43

It didn't take long for people who have been ruined financially to be tarred with the "lazy scrounger" brush, did it?

MaxNormal · 30/03/2020 09:46

It's work on fresh air, good working conditions, good salary

It's piece work. If you're slow it's not even minimum wage. It's breathing in pesticides in a polytunnel or freezing and ruining your back in the pouring rain. It's sleeping six to an old caravan and being charged for the privilege.

TheTeenageYears · 30/03/2020 09:55

I read the article and thought the same thing. Maybe when announcements were made about furloughing jobs and self employed bailout there should have been a caveat that if there was any work which needed to be done within a certain radius if home they would be obliged to do it. It's ridiculous to think that vital crops will go unpicked because of a shortage of workers. Another alternative is to offer the work to Y11 & 13 students who have basically come to a holt in their studies. I'm sure they would be glad of the money and a reason to get out the house.

frillyfarmer · 30/03/2020 10:09

@MaxNormal perhaps if you're a gang master and operating contrary to modern slavery laws that's what it is.

We pay by the hour, provide welfare and staff facilities as required. The work can obviously be cold and wet, no one but no one can manipulate the great British weather and a cold easterly wind - that's the nature of agriculture unfortunately. It is hard physical work, as is a lot of agriculture- it's a primary industry. The reason it has generally been outsourced is because our county population (Lincolnshire) is sparse and doesn't really have a wealth of seasonal workers wanting to work outside in April weather. I suspect that might change now, temporarily, but the very sad fact is that a lot of people in the UK just don't have the work ethic to do this, especially with the welfare state as it has been.

Agriculture needs unravelling a bit more and hopefully this current crisis we find ourselves in will focus our attention to how vital it is to have a secure food production going forwards.
Subsidies exist because food prices for staples have remained static for many decades - before this pandemic, winter wheat was a similar £/tonne as it was in the 1980s, but overheads and commodities have risen dramatically in the same time. If agriculture was self sustaining and workers could be paid to reflect the gritty job they're actually doing, it would be a more attractive position in the main. But the focus has been on greening and not good production which, in arable Lincolnshire, is a very difficult line to tread.

SudokuQueen · 30/03/2020 11:04

It said on radio 4 Farming today earlier in the week that thousands of people, 9,500 I think it was, had applied for a job picking hops this year so this sounds like DM scary headlining.

That's good. Hopefully more will do the same. I know a fair amount of people who have lost jobs have applied for supermarkets and the NHS, they have been given jobs immediately. So it's good that others are going for these jobs too. Smile Hopefully the future isn't too bleak for all of us.

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Snog · 30/03/2020 14:17

If as a nation, in a time of food insecurity, we allow precious food to rot in the fields what hope is there.

Rosehip10 · 30/03/2020 16:58

@frillyfarmer What is your workers accommodation like? Guys stuff in to a caravan? Bunk beds in old portacabins? And farmers wonder why British people don't want to come and work on farms for minimum wage.

LillianGish · 30/03/2020 17:52

The reason it has generally been outsourced is because our county population (Lincolnshire) is sparse and doesn't really have a wealth of seasonal workers wanting to work outside in April weather. All the more astonishing then that the population of Lincolnshire were keen to do just that when they voted overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit. Too much to hope they might have had some masterstroke up their sleeves to deal with this very eventuality. Expecting unemployed people from other parts of the country to up sticks for part of the year to live in a caravan in Lincolnshire while their families fend for themselves back home was never going to be an option.

ragged · 30/03/2020 17:56

£8.92/hr for picking an hour's drive from. Or maybe £8.72/hr.
But I don't know where the jobs are advertised. How would I find one nearer to home?

Mordred · 30/03/2020 19:28

All agricultural land in the UK needs to be seized by the state and parcelled out to actual farmers so that they no longer need to pay rent to the bloody Normans.

Farmers can then pay a decent wage to workers and provide proper working conditions.

Problem solved.

flowerycurtain · 30/03/2020 21:54

Wow there some vitriol against farmers here.

Please remember there are some of on here working horrendous hours with kids at home, really worried about what we'll do if our few staff members go sick as we don't have back up - to out food on the nations table.

Please be kind.

All our staff are paid above minimum wage and are local.

I know farmers who have European staff. Yes they're in caravans but they are really nice ones! They also earn quite well. The food ones often go on to work full time on other farms.

I'm sure there are farmer out there who take the piss but there are a lot of us trying our damndest at the moment. Farmers have one of the highest rates of suicide. Again, please be kind.

musicposy · 30/03/2020 22:04

Same as ragged Where are these jobs advertised? Three of our family are out of work now, including one student and every one of us would do it. One DC has been applying for everything possible, getting nothing. Haven’t seen any picking jobs advertised locally and we’re in the country.

Don’t brand all British people lazy. Lots of people are desperate for work at the moment. But we need to find a better way of getting the workers into the jobs.

VivaLeBeaver · 30/03/2020 22:12

I see the jobs advertised in the windows of recruitment agencies in my town.

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