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AIBU?

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DH and his career

36 replies

EatingSomeMostDeliciousBugs · 26/03/2020 06:50

A small disclaimer to say I know that there are so much worse things happening in the world just now. I also know there are people losing their jobs who will be in much worse positions than me and my family. I count my blessings. However, this is AIBU and I want to know if AIBU about my situation.

Due to the current global crisis, it looks likely that DH is going to lose his job again, for the second time in 5 years. Of course, it’s through no fault of his own and it wasn’t his fault last time either. He is in a volatile industry where there is a lot of money to be made but the downside is their are downturns like this and things can change so quickly.

He wants to get out and do something else, which I fully support. He wants it to be something recession proof which helps people and I think that’s a great idea - he’s a caring person and enjoys looking after people. I’m not keen on the industry he’s in and I could really do without the uncertainty every couple of years. The difficulty I’m feeling just now is, I know if his job goes he will expect me to go out and work full time in the job I have (currently work 2 days and care for our youngest who is 18mo 3 days a week). I am lucky, in the sense that I can click my fingers and go full time at any time. This is what happened last time and he took 6 months not working. Personally, I found it a horrendous time - I missed my kids, had no work life balance and had to do all the mental work at home. He cooks and is hands on with the kids, but stuff like cleaning, DIY, birthdays etc are all organised and largely done by me. He is good with the cooking and kids because he likes those things. Ultimately though, when we had children it was agreed I would be their main carer. We have 3 - 7,6 and 18 months. We waited to have the 18mo until we could afford to have her and me only work 2 days a week.

Last time, he got a large pay off and we had money in the bank. He could have chosen any career at that point and retrained. I encouraged him to do so. His parents said they would support him financially to do so. He couldn’t think of a single thing he wanted to do. He was almost aggressively obtuse about any suggestions. This time, we’ll be lucky if he gets a months salary. I think his parents might still support him to change career as they are very comfortable financially, but it is by no means a given.

I feel I missed out on precious time with the older two because I went back full time and to be honest, I resent that I had to do that. I really don’t want to repeat the same situation again with DC3. I feel conflicted, because I do think he needs to change jobs and have been encouraging this line of thinking for years. I think he will be happier and things will be more stable. However, I don’t want to miss out on my time with my last baby. I feel I sacrificed enough with the older two and I want to tell him that although I fully support him to make this change, I won’t go out and work more paid hours.

We have very little savings now, but we do have a considerable amount of equity in the house. I would rather access that, which I know will put us in a worse position financially in the long run, than lose more time with my children while they are young. I think he will be appalled by this idea and will deem me unsupportive of his career change. But the way I see it is - the equity is my money too and I’d rather lose that than more time with my children.

So AIBU to say yes, I support your career change but no, I won’t go out and work full time to help fund it?

That was long and rambly, sorry. Well done if you made it to the end.

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MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2020 06:59

I may have missed it but who looks after your 18month old when you work?

EatingSomeMostDeliciousBugs · 26/03/2020 07:04

DH does one day and my mum does the other day. DH compresses his hours to do so. Sorry, never thought to add that!

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MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2020 07:05

Because if you go back who would do it? Your mum should really be separate I think? (Losing track)

stealthbanana · 26/03/2020 07:09

It sounds like there are 2 separate issues you need to untangle

  • him changing career
  • him refusing to participate in the bits of home life he doesn’t like

On the first one, I think this is a decision you need to make together, including the implications on you. Honestly, I don’t think you get to decree that you be the primary carer forever just because that’s how it was 3 years ago when you got pregnant with no 3. Circumstances change.

However, it is an absolute non starter for him to be either off work or in this new career necessitating you working full time but STILL picking up much of the load at home. If he’s not prepared to step up in some way, he needs to go back to the status quo.

HillAreas · 26/03/2020 07:09

I’m not voting yet as there’s not much info on what DH has actually said about it.

Does he know he failed to pulled his domestic weight the last time? If he doesn’t - tell him. It’s not sustainable to have both of you working full time but only one really puting in the grunt work at home. I can see why you’d be reluctant to return to that scenario.

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2020 07:10

If he picks up his end you could go back (cc permitted). To even it up.

EatingSomeMostDeliciousBugs · 26/03/2020 07:11

I think the vague plan would be , if I worked FT he would do all childcare until he finds a pt job and a course he wants to do. Then I would continue to work more hours and DD would have to go to nursery as and when required.

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violetbunny · 26/03/2020 07:15

Could you go back doing compressed hours or 4 day weeks so you have more time at home with the kids? This would only work if he can actually put some effort into the home responsibilities he doesn't enjoy so much though, otherwise whatever happens you'll still end up with the mental load.

EatingSomeMostDeliciousBugs · 26/03/2020 07:15

Re last time - I don’t think we will ever share the same opinion of how that worked at home. I do not want to walk out the door every day, leaving a list of jobs that need done. I was not good at remembering that some days with kids, some shit doesn’t get done. He is rubbish at seeing obvious jobs in front of him and it drives me crazy having to point things out to him. As I’ve said, he will cook and cook and cook. But I know that happens because he likes that. Other stuff, not so much.

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Shoxfordian · 26/03/2020 07:25

It sounds like he needs to grow up and take some responsibility for finding a job he wants to do and for the mental load at home. He's not being fair to contribute only where it suits him and ignore stuff he doesn't like doing.

Dozer · 26/03/2020 07:28

YABU on not working FT: circumstances have changed and one person working PT or AH only works if both partners are OK with this.

YANBU not to be willing for him to be a SAHD beyond a short period of time. He should look for any work going until he finds his preference, and consider family income as well as his preferences.

YANBU to expect him to do a fair share of all domestic work.

Bluntness100 · 26/03/2020 07:29

He needs to pull his weight at home, you need to be willing to work. It shouldn’t be on him all the time to financially provide, it shouldn’t be on you to do all the housework.

He’s refusing to do your bit you’re refusing to do his. I’m sorry but you both need to grow up and take responsibility. You’re not owed a life at home, and he’s not owed a house keeper.

Dozer · 26/03/2020 07:30

what sort of “course”? For how long and how much money?

If short and affordable, fair enough. Years and costly? He is being U.

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2020 07:34

They both want him to retrain though not go back to old sector

It’s more who should pay for it. Op working or equity

mochajoes · 26/03/2020 07:35

I don't think it's unreasonable for you to work more, I would do they same if circumstances required. Plus industries that pay well but are volatile are very stressful so I don't blame him for wanting to change careers. However he then must do more in the home.

mochajoes · 26/03/2020 07:36

how much is it to retrain?

EatingSomeMostDeliciousBugs · 26/03/2020 07:40

Course - The sort of stuff his looking at would take at least 3 or 4 years full time.

Reading the comments, I think I feel like he’s had a shot at this already. His parents supported him with his first degree, he chose poorly and didn’t really care about his results or what his career prospects were. Young and thoughtless. His parents offered to support him again when we had the money to fund some of it too and he could literally not think of a single thing he wanted to do. And now that I’m enjoying my time with my youngest, he’s decided. So I guess that perhaps means that I’m not all that supportive.

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MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2020 07:41

That is a long time.

BlueJava · 26/03/2020 07:43

I think if he wants to do something different he should, and if that means you have to step up your earnings then you need to. However, before you agree to all that why not set out what you want to happen - not just with your work and his work but with regards to cleaning being 50/50, cards/presents - you'll do your friends/family and he does his etc? Tell him you learnt last time you couldn't cope so you need to take the whole picture.

Noconceptofnormal · 26/03/2020 07:48

Difficult to say without knowing what he does and what he wants to do.

Is there a compromise, ie is there something less unstable he can move to within his current industry? Or in a similar more stable industry?

I'm just wondering if he can do something that doesn't involve a massive paycut.

Could he freelance part time whilst retraining?

I also think that financially if you could do 3 or 4 days that would be more manageable so you have time with your kids and more bandwidth for house stuff.

But yes any changes need to involve him taking more responsibilities for the boring adult stuff and not just focusing on the nicer stuff like cooking.

mrscampbellblackagain · 26/03/2020 07:49

How exactly would you access the equity in your house? Down sizing or re-mortgaging? Because I don't think either of those options are great at the moment or the foreseeable future. If you are part time and your DH isn't working - will you even get a re-mortgage?

mrscampbellblackagain · 26/03/2020 07:50

Meant to add although it is not ideal, I am not sure you are going to have much choice but to go full time.

edwinbear · 26/03/2020 07:53

I’m guessing your DH works in banking? If so, I empathise. DH (a trader) has also been made redundant twice, once with the sort of pay off that comes with 25 years service and once on statutory. He lost his job in November and no sign of anything yet, he’s just applied to stack shelves at Tesco. There is zero chance of him finding another trading job in the current climate.

Meaning I’ve had to go for promotion this year to try and increase my salary, so working long stressful hours. It’s not what I want, but I’m left with little choice, if the DC are to be housed and fed, that’s what I need to do.

mochajoes · 26/03/2020 07:54

Is that 3/4 yrs without working? or studying alongside a job?

Dozer · 26/03/2020 07:56

YANBU if you’re not prepared to support DH financially for 3/4 years to study full time. Especially if it’d be low paid work at the end of it. Lots of us would love to do higher education (or more of it) but don’t because of taking a share in financially supporting the family.

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