Aibu to think private school provision at home can be done in state schools too?

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Just that. Private schools are doing active live teaching via zoom, FaceTime and Skype. Full school days. Teaching via video link, then sending kids off to do work which they send back and gets marked, then another lesson. full school days of work. Even pe online! Parents don’t need to do anything and can get on with work.

State sector get home learning packs. No info about how to do bus stop division or similar technical stuff. Not heard from anyone at school since Friday, no information at all bar work timetable on website. Where are the teachers? Why are can state sector teachers not actively teach online and stay in touch with the kids? Why not more engagement? We are all having to work at home alongside our kids, why aren’t teachers doing this too?

*Can anyone tell me what all the teachers at her school are doing, as seems to me they have just all gone home on full pay>

Have you asked the school?

My son is in year 8 and has codes for every lesson and logs into google classroom. All the work is laid out and explains what to do. If he gets stuck and I can't help there's a message the teacher part, he has used this twice and they responded in under 2hrs. In that time he did another subject he was able to complete. We're in Wales does England have this google classroom set up?
Also if he has interests in a certain subject like titanic for example he can write add pictures any details he wants and that's classed as work also. We've covered WW2 and how they had rationing and kids from London having to leave their parents. He's really enjoying it doing stuff the teacher wants but also what he likes. I've enjoyed doing the subjects he's interested in we've had some great discussions.
Hope every kid gets to enjoy doing their school work.

There's a skit on Facebook of a video maths lesson which shows exactly why it wouldn't work. Kids late to check in, not having received or looked at the worksheet emailed in advance, banter between the kids, someone going to the toilet, a parent coming on to talk to the teacher, one student sticking his finger up, the teacher's face being captured and edited. Everything people have already said. It can work in some cases, small 6th form classes maybe who are very motivated but otherwise, no. The access to tech / WiFi is a huge issue, not a 'small minority' and no, the school can't probably sort it out. My private school will be in dire straits.. Our boarders, especially the y13 will likely not pay full fees for next term, which I understand, but for every 2 who don't, that's a teachers salary. My school is not awash with money, far from it. Our facilities are not great, especially the tech side. It sounds like a very few schools have been disorganised here but it was short notice for us all and they may have staff who are sick or a high proportion in with key workers kids. There are 22 pages all saying the same thing.

Can anyone tell me what all the teachers at her school are doing, as seems to me they have just all gone home on full pay

My DH is a secondary teacher and is doing live lessons online, doing his normal timetable

If kids mess about, he e-mails their parents

I study an access course at a local college and we are being taught via Google Meet.

One of the few advantages is that the students who log on generally want to learn.

And parents actually have to participate in their children’s education, at least to motivate them.

We're in Wales does England have this google classroom set up?

Yes, schools can sign up to the G Education suite but it costs around £3 per student per month. For a large Secondary, this could be around £6500 per month.
Similar for the Office 365/Sharepoint/Teams Education option.
These platforms are a huge investment for schools to have to consider and I’m sure global pandemics were not on people’s risk assessments last September.

Most schools sent out packs for the first week before going home. Teachers are now probably working on resources for the next week. I know ours are to be uploaded on Mondays. We are a primary with limited online resourcing and in a deprived area so are not doing live lessons or anything like that. We do have a learning platform which the children are familiar with. Of the online activities that I set via that, only 5 children have accessed them out of a class of 30.

I think Teams is really expensive, from what I have heard.

I guess they have to justify the extortionate fee’s. My children’s state school is setting work at same time as timetable and they have to send a photo of their work in which will be marked. Their tutors have phoned yesterday and will be ringing weekly, more for anyone who needs it.

We have been using google classroom for a year - the kids school use it for homework. So it’s helpful they know how to use it now

But how many of the class are taking part in these lessons?
It will all have to be retaught anyway as we can not leave out the disadvantaged

I do think we are kidding ourselves if we think any sort of distance learning is properly adequate, especially for older children. It is about keeping children in work habits, not letting slide what they already do, trying to cover new material, but knowing they won't grasp it fully (unless very very able). Any parent who calls for a full day of video lessons usually has the Victorian 'seen and not heard ' mentality as much as anything else.

And, yes, already in my leafy school 6 students in a class of 24 have not submitted work , 5/12 in an A Level class haven't and 2/26 in another year 10 class have not signed in at all.

But they could be ill, there could be pressures at home. It's not our business to pry.

Likewise, at some point , many teachers will be ill , combatting illness in their own families - or even bereavement. The storm is still to come there and moaning about whether lessons are adequate will at that stage appear extraordinarily petty.

ds is home educated via an online school (since september). So for him theres no change at all. Its done via online/ live stream . using adobe connect, moving to zoom after Easter.
For us to enrol in this school (its self funded) we have to provide decent broadband and a laptop/ ipad whatever. we also have a printer. Then theres stationary, textbooks, class reading book...... so for state schools this is a problem. There is still going to be households without accsess to some/ any of this stuff. School cannot expect to kit the kids out either! DH is a mainstream state teacher and has to set a mix of tech/ paper based tasks to cover this. Online classes can be brilliant (ours are) because its an online school set up specifically as this. Uses u tube videos (science experiments, geography, digital theatre for shakespear....). But the school has paid for accounts etc . a state school can`t afford all this wondrousness! There is also the platform (powerschool) where classes/ homework etc is based. I bet that doesnt come cheap for the school either. DS classes are mostly about 13 students? (we do have some new starters funnily enough). capped at 20? so its a small group environmant. I just cannot see how a state school can compete.....or expect anything like it.

This is al so true and , also, there are TEACHERS' households without the above.

tbh online school teachers do WFH. DS english teacher bless her is relegated to the bedroom to teach as her kids (mainstream) are off school. She does her best though.

but this school is totally geared up for this. teachers have the tech also to deliver education (we`re still working as normal with the timetables etc) this way, plus any staff training/ knowledge to get the best from it. State ...little compared.

teachers have been thrown into this with little warning. DH is better than many because he is very tech savvy (DT teacher) and sees how online school works so can look to ds classes at delivery a bit? Many teachers dont have any awareness that online school exists!!!!!! or have a clue on how to deliver a class online at all!!! its not how theyre trained to teach tbh. its a new skill.

We don't even have a laptop per teacher in this household.

the online school teachers wfh. But because they use powerschool platform + adobe connect etc we as parents and the kids dont have their actual emails. the teachers dont have to say where they are geographically!! state/ mainstream dont have this, so safeguarding their teachers privacy from rogue students etc becomes a problem. If a teacher at ds school emails me/ him its through powerschool. so they dont have our email address. only the main school "office" has that. so we`re all annoymous in that respect.

sorry for rambling....

Lots of comments here about pay. Fuck me.

Anyway. At my school we aren't doing that kind of online teaching-although friends of mine at other state schools are doing. Our children probably have one smart phone or 2 at home for the family. No laptops, tablets, poor WiFi. The kind of provision you are suggesting is not feasible but I appreciate why, with children at private school, you haven't necessarily considered the lifestyle of many families up and done the country.
We are providing work online thta can be done on a phone screen in case that's all that families have. In the case of what am I doing at home all day for full pay-I'm planning a new scheme of work to make up for this lack of learning. I'm emailing or phoning the children at least once or twice a week. I'm setting the work online and monitoring it but I'm not 'teaching'. I'm also driving round families and dropping off bags of food, sanitary towels and vouchers.
I appreciate this isn't what education should look like. I wish I was at work teaching normally.

DH uses his own laptop, school dont provide (they havent for years dues to funding lol).

I hope people can see what Im trying to say (in a rambly way). People cant expect mainstream state to just "do it online". The logistics and cost is too much. Some schools are trying, some private schools can (they have ££ and the kids are more likely to have the tech). I don`t see how they can even help mainstream really??

Teachers are doing their best with what theyve got. Its a whole new mindset teaching remotely and not what theyre trained for? they`re trained for a physical classroom.

My niece and nephew are at private school and they’ve had a full timetable delivered online. My sister had to get a new laptop and desk though as they didn’t have enough devices for everyone to be working and studying from home.

Mine are only nursery age but I would have appreciated some sort of information on how to prep for school readiness etc. Instead the nursery just sacked everyone. The primary mine (will hopefully!) go to in September seems to be doing some online learning through googleclassroom but I have no idea how much.

These few months do have the potential to widen inequalities for the children. Some kids will be doing lots of engaging 1:1 stuff and others absolutely nothing. Even thinking about gcses for those currently in year 10, the difference in provision could make a massive difference.

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