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57 replies

sunshineanddaffodils · 23/03/2020 07:34

I’ve been awake worrying that this is the end of life as we’ve known it. Feeling petrified and scared that we will never return to normal. I know we are nowhere near the peak of this terrible virus. What if we are never able to stop the spread of the virus? Feeling quite hysterical and immensely worried about the future.

OP posts:
crazycatgal · 23/03/2020 17:58

@Fantasiaa Why do they need to be vegan to talk about the consumption of endangered animals and wet markets being dangerous? A pack of chicken from Tesco has never caused a worldwide pandemic.

tinkerbellla · 23/03/2020 18:07

China are opening up cinemas and tourist attractions today which gave me a little ray of hope!

Marshmallow91 · 23/03/2020 18:56

It will happen until "herd immunity" happens - when 60% of the population contract and survive the virus (according to MIT) which will stop it reaching out of control proportions. Its only a matter of time before the cases slow (after the peak which we'll probably see in the next few months)
Lockdown will slow the spread, making it more manageable for hospital staff to deal with, creating more survivors, and adding to the "herd"

I'm estimating (although I'm not an epidemiologist) that it'll be around 18 months before normality starts returning fully. (which doesn't mean a halt in cases - just that it'll be slow enough that we will be able to handle it without the horrific load on hospital ICU's or mass hysteria)

vegas888 · 23/03/2020 19:07

SARS started in China as did Spanish Flu and now this. Their treatment of dogs and animals is barbaric. Boiling and blow torching dogs to death while they are still alive, eating baby mice alive, hacking the fins off sharks and tossing them back in the water, it’s an utter disgrace.

vegas888 · 23/03/2020 19:08
ListeningQuietly · 23/03/2020 19:15

Marshmallow
SARS died out far quicker than that because of efficient SOCIAL DISTANCING
The bit that Brits in particular seem to think does not apply to them

BillysMyBunny · 23/03/2020 19:17

SARS started in China as did Spanish Flu

Nobody actually knows for sure where Spanish flu started. China is one hypothesis but so are the UK, America and France.

CheshireDing · 23/03/2020 19:18

I don’t think you are hysterical OP, I have felt quite calm until now, I feel quite worried this evening.

I wish as a family we had gone on total isolation sooner, rather than waiting for schools and Boris to decide, I wish I had listened to my instincts.

My neck is aching tonight and I feel worried whereas normally I wouldn’t have thought anything (and now I keep googling) which is not like me.

Sorry not very helpful but trying to show solidarity.

BillysMyBunny · 23/03/2020 19:20

SARS died out far quicker than that because of efficient SOCIAL DISTANCING

SARS died out quickly because it isn’t very infectious at the early stages of the disease and so quarantining people as soon as they started to show symptoms was highly effective in stopping them passing it onto others. COVID-19 is Highly infectious even before symptoms start and people may be asymptomatic for several days or even longer and so it is much harder to identify and this quarantine infected people and will therefore be much harder to wipe out than SARS.

Fantasiaa · 24/03/2020 08:13

@crazycatgal
I’m saying that a meat eater from a western country trying to police consumption of meats widely popular in countries in Asia and Africa doesn’t sit right with me. What makes eating cow, chicken more palatable to you than eating monkey & snake? The West shouldn’t be able to decide what is barbaric to eat.

Again, it has not been confirmed the source of the virus. Nobody knows yet.

Fantasiaa · 24/03/2020 08:17

SARS started in China as did Spanish Flu and now this. Their treatment of dogs and animals is barbaric. Boiling and blow torching dogs to death while they are still alive, eating baby mice alive, hacking the fins off sharks and tossing them back in the water, it’s an utter disgrace.

Someone has already corrected your Spanish Flu error.

Again, there are practices in the West that seem barbaric to other nations such as the consumption of pork and of beef.

Would I personally dog ? No! But that doesn’t mean eating it is inherently barbaric. The rest of what you are saying e.g. boiling them alive, blow torching, hacking of fins umm could I get a credible source for that ?

Side note: even in the fishing industry here, fishermen often end up throwing almost dead/ dead fish back into the ocean.

The way a lot of our meat is farmed is terrific. Baby cows separated from their mothers very soon after birth, the mass killing of male chickens etc.

We aren’t necessarily less barbaric.
West doesn’t equal >

JustBecauseYouCanBarry · 24/03/2020 08:54

It's not so much what is being eaten but the way in which it is being caught, stored, sold, and eventually consumed that is worrying, unhygienic and needs to be stopped. And it's nothing to do with thinking West = best. This is an extract from a National Geographic article, it's completely disgusting and needs to end.

In markets, animals “are dying, they are thirsty, they are in rusty cages and totally dirty,” Li says. They may be missing limbs or have open wounds from their capture in the wild or injuries sustained during transport. “The traders don’t handle them gently—they smash the cages down to the floor when unloading and loading. The animals suffer a lot.”

The chaos of the trade enables the spread of zoonotic diseases—those that spread from animals to humans—says Christian Walzer, chief global veterinarian at the U.S.-based Wildlife Conservation Society. Wild animals, he explains, can carry viruses that “in a normal world, would not come into contact with humans.” These carriers aren’t sick—they’re simply “silent reservoirs.” But as we encroach into animals’ habitats, we increase our exposure.

Seventy percent of zoonotic diseases come from wildlife, says Erin Sorrell, an assistant research professor in the department of microbiology and immunology at Georgetown University, in Washington, D.C. The diseases can be notoriously devastating: HIV, Ebola, and SARS are among those that have made the leap from wildlife to humans, spawning international outbreaks.

In wildlife markets in China and Southeast Asia, there may be 40 species—birds, mammals, reptiles—“stacked on top of each other,” Walzer says. The mixing of air and bodily secretions allows viruses to exchange, potentially creating new strains. Walzer sums it up as a “cauldron of contagion.”

Evidence points to bats as the source of the Wuhan coronavirus. It’s unclear which species then transmitted the disease to humans, but in an assessment of the Wuhan market, the coronavirus was detected in the live wild animal section.

bridgetreilly · 24/03/2020 09:17

@JustBecauseYouCanBarry, it's both. It's bringing more people into contact with 'exotic' animals AND creating the ideal opportunity for diseases to cross species. Coupled with far greater mobility of people which can then spread those diseases before showing a single symptom.

Coughcough101 · 24/03/2020 09:33

When people start taking this seriously and listen

MorganKitten · 24/03/2020 14:16

SARS started in China as did Spanish Flu and now this.

No.

Spanish flu was circulating in the European armies before it got to China.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 24/03/2020 14:20

We will go in and out of lockdown for around 12-18 months. By then a vaccination program will be up and running and normal life will start again then.

How did you come up with this crap?

ListeningQuietly · 24/03/2020 15:39

Dontbite
well its what Imperial, the CDC and the WHO are saying .....

except that vaccination may be pointless

Bluntness100 · 24/03/2020 15:56

well its what Imperial, the CDC and the WHO are saying .....

It’s not really is it. They are saying that’s the very worst case, they are also saying they have launched a globally funded initiative called solidarity and working now on an anti viral to cure it, and having signs of success. And they are certainly not saying vaccines are pointless.

Why are you coming on to a thread posting worst case unlikely to happen scenarios like they are fact.?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 24/03/2020 16:05

@CatBatCat
Speculation is what is driving this hysteria. Just follow the advice for today and take each day as it comes

Sheeesh, Cat, don't go talking common sense on here! Grin
I agree by the way, it's all any of us can do.
That's what I'm doing anyway - just taking it as it comes, it's pointless speculating and worrying.

Pippitypong · 24/03/2020 16:25

There was an article on the BBC website saying we might well have waves of strict lockdown followed by less stringent rules for 12-18 months to get it more under control, which was quite depressing reading. Another MN poster posted a thread with link to it yesterday.
While I can see the benefits to the climate/environment by far less air travel, less cars on the road, people at home not buying single use plastic when they're out and about etc, it all has a human and economic cost. The travel and airline industry employs thousands and will not recover easily.
We might become less materialistic because we cant shop for non essentials but how many people rely on retail and its supply chains.
I'm quite scared both of the effects of the virus, and the possibility of losing lived ones and of whether my job will still be viable, but trying to just look to the time frame given for lockdown at the moment, and no further than that.

twinkledag · 24/03/2020 18:17

When do you think we'll be able to fly again?

Leaannb · 24/03/2020 18:37

We will be dealing with Corona forever. Its not go!ing to completely go away and a vaccine will only help so much due to viruses mutating. Its the reason why the flu vaccine isn't a 100 percent effective and only lessons the risk between 40 and an 60 percent

Butterymuffin · 24/03/2020 23:10

Actually, the mutation may be less of a problem than anticipated. New story on this, which I've just posted on the good news thread:

The coronavirus is only mutating slowly, which means there is more chance that a vaccine, once found, will offer lasting protection

<a class="break-all" href="//www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html#click=t.co/39bnShU2dE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html#click=t.co/39bnShU2dE

thepeopleversuswork · 24/03/2020 23:17

I think a lot will depend on what happens in the Far East. China is slowly returning to normal and people are going back to work etc. If that improves and holds over the next 2-3 months, and once we've got ours under control, we could be loosening restrictions by late summer, I think.

If infection rates spike back up again in China we're in for a much longer haul.

I may be behind the curve scientifically but I wouldn't be holding my breath for a vaccine or antidote any time this year.

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