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To avoid reading The Mirror and the Light

48 replies

KingscoteStaff · 07/03/2020 14:31

...because I can’t bear the thought of Cromwell dying?

The book is sitting here looking at me, but I feel that if I don’t read it, somewhere there is a Schrodinger’s Cromwell training up more apprentices and chatting to Holbein and being quietly brilliant.

I know, IABU...

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WomanInTheWindow · 07/03/2020 14:32

The joy of reading - you can go back to the first page.

NearlyGranny · 07/03/2020 14:33

Oh... Yes, I know I'm reading my way to his death, too. 🙄

MrsNoah2020 · 07/03/2020 14:34

Reading it now, love the books but I think Mantel's portrait flatters him immensely. The real TC was clever but nasty. Though no one who hated Thomas More can have been all bad Wink

bettybattenburg · 07/03/2020 14:34

I've got no intention of reading it so YANBU.

FlibbertyGiblets · 07/03/2020 14:40

God NO I agree. Great minds OP, I posted the phrase Schroedinger's Cromwell on my facebook. I don't want him to die even though I know that ofc he does.

KingscoteStaff · 07/03/2020 14:59

Hilary Mantel is on BBC2 this evening.

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BadEyeBri · 07/03/2020 15:30

I'm the weirdo who read the last few pages first. It was beautifully written. I want to be HM when I grow up.

FloggingMoll · 07/03/2020 15:32

It's sat on the sofa next to me right now. It's so lovely and tactile to touch, too - though how I'm ever going to read it with a toddler in the house is beyond me. I barely have the brainpower to manage a word game on my phone most days. Grin

gallgal · 07/03/2020 15:33

Cromwell wasn't such a great guy, yknow. I certainly wouldn't be actively avoiding reading about his death. He's certainly responsible for the deaths of MANY others.

Scautish · 07/03/2020 15:34

OMG you need to have spoiler alert in your title

Scautish · 07/03/2020 15:34

(That was a joke, I feel your pain)

balonzz · 07/03/2020 15:37

I, too have it on my kindle but have yet to start reading it. I feel like I have waited for it for so long, I can hardly bear to break the spell of the expectation if you see what I mean.

FlibbertyGiblets · 07/03/2020 15:38

Yes yes yes we KNOW he was a thug, ruthless, horrid, manipulative, he got what was coming to him etc etc. Smile

Reginabambina · 07/03/2020 15:39

@MrsNoah2020 what’s so bad about Thomas Moore?

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 07/03/2020 15:39

Yes, but then you can re read Wolf hall and he'll be alive again.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 07/03/2020 15:40

OMG you need to have spoiler alert in your title

Grin

Don't give people ideas. Someone might be emailing MNHQ right this moment.

NearlyGranny · 07/03/2020 16:03

Thomas More was a bit of a pedant, tbf, and nasty to his wife, though of course he's a Saint in the RC canon.

KingscoteStaff · 07/03/2020 16:05

@BadEyeBri you are a dangerous anarchist and must be observed carefully.

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KingscoteStaff · 07/03/2020 16:07

@Scautish you are a dangerous ironist and must be encouraged and given a job.

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PeterPomegranate · 07/03/2020 16:08

I loved the first two books but it’s this one very long. That worries me more, that I’ll think he would have benefitted from tighter editing.

I do like TC in the books. And wasn’t Thomas More also responsible for many deaths. They all seem to have been!

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 07/03/2020 16:10

Not reading either. I'm in love with him.

FuchsiaBay · 07/03/2020 16:25

I'm an insomniac and a very fast reader, so I've already finished it,and tbh, I found it disappointing compared to the previous two volumes. It's as bloated as the middle-aged Henry VIII at 903 pages in hardback, and suffers from exactly the same lack of editing as some of the chunkier mid-to-late HP novels, where the huge public appetite for more doesn't translate into effective editing.

I think the shape of this one is more problematic, too -- the first two both had the reign of a queen (or getting rid of one queen and getting in another) to structure them, as well as TC's increasing power. This one starts with the execution of Anne Boleyn, and includes Henry marrying Jane Seymour, her death, his shortlived marriage to Anne of Cleves, and his marriage to Catherine Howard, as well as the Pilgrimage of Grace, the Dissolution of the Monasteries, lots of politicking around Mary's marriage and Henry's heirs, the various successes and betrayals of TC's household, Tynedale, as well as TC's own decline.

It's pretty unwieldy. (Anyone who found her first novel A Place of Greater Safety too mired in its own detail might recognise something similar here.)

There's also the fact that it's much less compelling to watch someone start to be expendable in the corridors of power than to watch him imposing himself on them. I mean, we've all been ignored at some meeting or other, right? I felt at times that Henry was just Monster Boss, and the Privy Council and courtiers were just a bunch of fractious middle-managers stabbing one another in the back in the photocopy room.

I say this as a huge Hilary Mantel fan, who's read all of her previous books, and while acknowledging that HM not at her best is still better than most other novelists firing on all cylinders. And there are gorgeous parts. When the ghost of Wolsey starts to talk to TC again, it's wonderful, and astonishing writing.

IpanemaGallina · 07/03/2020 16:30

I’m also enjoying handling and looking at my copy but unable to start. I had thought about rereading the first two books first.

TheWernethWife · 07/03/2020 16:33

Thomas More had people burnt alive, he wasn't a bloody saint.

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 07/03/2020 16:41

I'm relishing it. Slowly. & planning on going back & reading all 3 back to back over Easter Smile.