To think Priti Patel probably wishes she hadn’t been so quick to claim racism doesn’t exist?

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....because now she can’t state it’s a factor in the attacks against her.

I have less than zero time for PP. I think her views are odious from claiming British workers are lazy in her capitalism on steroids book ‘Brittania Unchained’ to her comments on the Irish.

However, I also believe if she were white, the old guard of the civil service would have done some more hand holding, helped her find her feet, given her more of a chance. There have been many white male and female ministers who are horrible but they have not been quickly and publicly destroyed in the way PP has been. In addition the guy who resigned is no angel, having presided over the implementation of the Windrush scandal and was more than happy to assist in creating a nasty attitude towards immigrants under May.

Nevertheless, because she’s been very keen to pretend racism doesn’t exist in regards to others facing it including Meghan Markle in an attempt to ingratiate herself with the right of her party and DM readers, now she is a victim herself she can’t complain or expect anyone to come to her defence.

I’ve seen this at work in relation to sexism where a female employee who’s keen to rise through the ranks will turn a blind eye to all kinds of sexism in order to keep on the right side of senior men but when faced with it herself finds herself with no allies.

Am I wrong in my assessment?

I think several people on this thread misunderstand the way the civil service works.

Our own views are irrelevant and shouldn't come into the work place. We implement the policies of the elected Government of the day, and warn Ministers of the implications of their decisions.

If Ministers decide to go ahead, irrespective of warnings from the civil service then we implement the policies that Ministers have decided upon. It is in no way our place to place to involve our own moral or value judgements on policies in our Departments.

And if Rutnam is to blame, why not blame Cameron who was PM or the guys who drove the 'Go home' vans around or the army of other civil servants working under Rutnam or the millions of people who voted in 2015 to put Tories into majority. I don't see why Rutnam is the only fall guy. There are so many to choose from.

I don’t understand the counter terrorism muddle

whats your confusion?

it was hilarious and absolutely a perfect illustration of how thick pritti patel is.

that anyone could confuse 'terrorism' and 'counter terrorism' repeatedly and with such conviction is incredible- that it was done by the home secretary is frightening.

I do feel a bit sorry for the more intelligent Brexiteers/Boris Fans who are having to defend all this shit*. It must surely take its toll on them.

*Refusing to reveal Russian report.
Bullying Civil servants
Bullying previous home secretary
Windrush/hostile home-office
Trying to silence the media/refusing to speak to media
Trying to silence the judiciary.
Independently employing weirdy racist advisors.
Pm's constant holidaying.

Still, "democracy" innit.

Yeah, if she'd said it once, I'd have pointed and laughed but not thought much of it. Easily done when answering questions on the hoof, and changing thought mid-sentence.

But that's not what happened.

It's clear she doesn't know what the words mean. Which is pretty worrying as:

(1) they're self-explanatory, so she must be thick as mince, and
(2) SHE'S OUR FUCKING HOME SECRETARY. OMFG!

Have her carried out and replaced by a lump of cheese. It will be both smarter and less harmful than her.

I just can't get over it.

The conviction she spoke of clamping down on counter-terrorism activity, counter-terrorism must be stopped, we've got all these measures on counter-terrorism.

I had genuinely never heard anything like it.

To think Priti Patel probably wishes she hadn’t been so quick to claim racism doesn’t exist?

....because now she can’t state it’s a factor in the attacks against her.

This is what you get for throwing everyone else under the bus of your own ambition. I have no sympathy for her. Nada.

Her whole career and ambition have been based around being the nastiest of the nasty party and thinking she can misuse her ethnic heritage as a cover for her viciousness and bigotry.

I cannot stand the woman.

I wonder if her family have ever tried giving her a good talking to?

Yes, I don't think some posters understand the way the civil service works.

In my last post though, I was making the point that while you are supposed to be impartial, some policies could be so vile that it becomes a resigning issue, as you just can't bring yourself to implement them.

Some years ago, long before this government, a poster on here who claimed to know her, described Patel as someone who'd skin her own grandmother if it advanced her career.

It's an image that stuck...

So I don't imagine family talking to her would do much.

Also, this is the woman who just three years ago was publicly sacked in slow-time on a flight back from Africa, for lying to her own Prime Minister about covert talks with a foreign power.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/more-than-20000-people-track-priti-patels-flight-back-to-london-as-she-faces-cabinet-axe-a3685576.html

She has no shame whatsoever.

I am not sure why she is still there

The way things are going in this country, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up being our next prime minister.

From next week she has aimed to make 3000 people from an ethnic minority homeless, and she doesn't care if their children are taken into care. She is the most racist person in government, but the racists like her and support her.

So I don't imagine family talking to her would do much.

No, probably not, but if she was my sister or cousin I’d have given it a try long ago. I wouldn’t be able to help myself.

Yes certainly Juliette we are free to leave or resign if we don't want to have to implement a policy we disagree with.

Most people who do have issues just move to another role or Department. It is not normally an issue to do that.

Yes, she shot herself in the foot there. However, she is not a pleasant individual and I can well believe the allegations against her. The Sir Wotsut from the civil service is not exactly perfect, himself, by all accounts.

Wotsit

@AnneElliott I agree but it won't look good for a government if there is an enquiry to see written docs from civil servants warning of the dire likely consequences of X or Y policy decision. Am thinking of Chilcot enquiry.

No it won't look good Jewel. But submissions will only be disclosed if there are relevant court proceedings.

We'll have to see what comes out of Phillip's constructive dismissal case.

Devlesko I hadn't heard anything about this From next week she has aimed to make 3000 people from an ethnic minority homeless, and she doesn't care if their children are taken into care Can you give me a link or suggest where to look for it. Thanks.

Not sure what you mean Drina about 'not being perfect himself'. There's no suggestion that Phillip treats staff badly.

If it's not delivering fast enough for Government Ministers then all civil servants are guilty of that. As the civil service can never deliver fast enough of which ever Government is in power.

1forsorrow

I've been campaigning since the beginning of November, what she is proposing is nothing short of ethnic cleansing by policy, but nobody will listen because she's dressed it up as travellers that leave a mess. There's a lot of reading but I'll post some bits here. I can't get into discussion though as every thread has been pulled with the notice that it's been taken down due to racism.

www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2019/12/government-consultation-evicting-gypsy-and-traveller-camps-rolls

To others who may click on this, please don't comment as unfair to derail the OP, it will last for 5 mins tops and then will be zapped.

However, I also believe if she were white, the old guard of the civil service would have done some more hand holding, helped her find her feet, given her more of a chance. There have been many white male and female ministers who are horrible but they have not been quickly and publicly destroyed in the way PP has been

Not sure about 'many' but there are bound to have been some it's true, I don't think the difference here is racism though. She should never have been brought back into cabinet after being sacked by May, she was sacked for very good reason and apparently already very unpopular with staff from her previous roles.

It's a real shame that the first female & bame home sec is such a disaster but it's all on her, she is just not fit for Office, in common with many in the cabinet and our dear PM.

I don't care what her nationality/ethnicity/religion/blood group/shoe size are.

I DO care that she appears to be a bully who dislikes people who have opinions that differ from hers, that she holds grudges, and that she thinks it's appropriate to sack someone on Christmas Eve.

Devlesko, thank you for the information. I try to keep up with what is going on but I had completely missed that.

1forsorrow

I'm glad I could inform one other, thank you

The traveller issue is not usually presented as ethnic cleansing, which is why it has slipped under the radar.

To go back to the resignation - it's quite normal to shuffle senior civil servants round in such cases. Rutnam has managed to outflank her by refusing a payoff. It's no skin off his nose - I don't doubt that some nice directorships will be coming his way shortly. I doubt whether Patel wants to see her dirty laundry washed in public.