Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to still feel upset about EPAU during miscarriage?

38 replies

ladycarlotta · 24/02/2020 13:07

FYI, if it wasn't clear this concerns miscarriage and some unpleasant events surrounding it, so don't read on if you aren't prepared for that.

About 8 years ago, when I was 24, my contraception failed and I got pregnant. At about 6 weeks gest I saw a locum who was really kind and referred me to the local hospital EPAU for a scan as I was experiencing a lot of cramping. I don't exactly recall what was said, but I think we briefly discussed the fact I felt unready for a baby and didn't know how I'd manage.

The night before the scan I had a lot of pain and bleeding and was pretty sure I was losing the pregnancy. I went to the appointment alone as it was made at short notice, and was treated kind of brusquely by the person on reception which I wasn't bothered by. The woman who did my scan was really awful though. She opened the door to me then turned away without even speaking to me; I had never heard of a transvaginal ultrasound and didn't realise that I would have one pretty much until she told me to take my pants off in front of her and shoved the thing inside me. It was painful and she expressed disgust because I was bleeding.

After she'd done she went to her computer to type up notes, ignoring me again while I sat on the bed. She asked me what the name of the doctor who'd referred me was, but as this GP was a locum they weren't on the form. She got impatient and raised her voice asking again and again the name of the doctor, and then made me come over to look at the screen. I was still completely naked from the waist down, bleeding, I hadn't been given any privacy to dress or undress.

She hadn't said anything to me, but because she made me look at her screen I saw that she had written that the pregnancy was miscarrying, this was how I found out for sure. I'd thought it was likely but it felt really bleak and lonely to discover that way, as if I and my pregnancy really meant nothing. I left the EPAU reeling and quite numb - the whole experience felt brutal to me and I was very upset by it for a long time.

I've now carried a pregnancy to term, including trips to the EPAU (in a different area) once again for cramps and bleeding. All the professionals I met along the way were so kind, even those who didn't have much time acknowledged that I might be scared, anxious or in pain. I hadn't expected any of that since my first experience was so unpleasant and made me feel so shitty - I was actually surprised this time to always be offered a curtain to change behind and paper to cover up with, because those things were not offered to me at that scan. I have wondered often if I was treated that way because I attended without my partner, or because I looked young, or because it was on my notes that I didn't know if I wanted the baby. I have begun to believe that none of those factors mean I deserved to go through that, and encounter such unpleasantness while I was actively miscarrying.

I guess my AIBU is, AIBU to still feel upset by this? I wonder if I should have complained to the unit years ago - I presume it's too late. I guess maybe I want somebody to validate this experience at last, I have carried it around a long time and I know now that it was not right.

To be clear, I feel pretty mentally healthy and this doesn't overshadow my whole life, it's just that since I've had a more positive experience I've realised exactly how poorly I was treated.

OP posts:
ladycarlotta · 24/02/2020 13:08

sorry! IWBU to write an essay.

OP posts:
TheAugusta · 24/02/2020 13:14

That sounds like a really horrible experience and I’m sorry you had to go through it. I’m not in medicine but it certainly doesn’t seem like she was behaving at all professionally or appropriately and if you feel that it would help you to report it I think you should.

yellowallpaper · 24/02/2020 13:23

You are absolute reasonable to expect to be treated with dignity. I don't think it was to do with age or whether you wanted the baby some people are shitty nasty people. I had a similar experience years ago after giving birth and it upsets and angers me to this day. I think training has come a long way

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:25

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

TheBouquets · 24/02/2020 13:26

You could still make a complaint to the Maternity Dept of the hospital.

WinterCat · 24/02/2020 13:28

Flowers Do you think some form of counselling might help you?

I encountered some of the kindest care imaginable after one of my miscarriages and also when one of my babies died neonatally. Equally, in both cases I also came across some of the most insensitive and awful people.

thecatsthecats · 24/02/2020 13:32

@Smileyaxolotl1

Do you mean 'an actually racist question'?

OP doesn't need her support diverted by goady racist bollacks.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:34

It’s not goody. It was an observation about privacy based on my personal experience.
But hey let’s let women be treated poorly just In case any criticism is seen as racist.

thecatsthecats · 24/02/2020 13:36

I'm really sorry for your experience OP. I haven't had anything as awful happen to me, but I have had two smears that were at polar ends of the comfort scale.

The first woman was jolly, no nonsense, made me laugh. The second nurse made it seem as something disgusting and shameful, and scratched me inside too.

You would think this would all be in the day job to some people, I don't know how the bad ones manage to get so far without realising it isn't for them.

thecatsthecats · 24/02/2020 13:39

It’s not goody. It was an observation about privacy based on my personal experience.

Your personal experience of the entire race of black people?

But hey let’s let women be treated poorly just In case any criticism is seen as racist.

Nice try, but again. Not 'seen as racist'. Just 'racist' will do.

Watermelontea · 24/02/2020 13:39

YANBU to still be upset by this, an EPAU is a place where people should be treated with sensitivity, regardless of if the pregnancy was planned or wanted.
I’m so sorry for the way you were treated, I wish the complaints procedure was explained more throughly, and displayed in waiting rooms prominently. So many people don’t know at the time what is and isn’t acceptable and carry it around with them.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:46

You don’t need to have met/been treated by every black medical professional to notice a pattern in behaviour do you?

Sorry OP
I would have liked to discuss my similar and relevant experiences to help you but the cats feels that her policing of discussion is far more important than your or mine experiences.
Good luck in the future - I feel the system has improved massively since I first had a baby so hopefully this sort of thing will happen less in the future.

RainydaysandMondaysalways · 24/02/2020 13:46

Thats a terrible way to be treated. Perhaps it might give you some sense of control to report her. Could you contact PALS?

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:47

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

LowerLoxleyAmbridge · 24/02/2020 13:47

That sounds like such an awful experience, I'm so sorry Flowers

Unfortunately I am a bit of a veteran of epu scans. I have experienced such kindness and decency from so many lovely nurses and doctors....but I had one scan with a woman who was absolutely awful, it still makes me shudder to think about it years later.

The next scan afterwards my husband went to the desk and very politely explained that I needed to be scanned by someone else this time .......I was in such a state it was only on the way home afterwards that I realised that the receptionist didn't need to ask the name of the person who'd been so awful, it must have been obvious to her which member of staff it would have been....

From time to time I wonder how many women she behaved like that towards and if she is still doing it.

whiskeylullaby2 · 24/02/2020 13:51

@Smileyaxolotl1

Are you joking? you are blaming 'people like @thecatsthecats ' for Rochdale?

your original comment was blatant racism, and not at all relevant to the OPs posts.

OP i really hope you get the support you deserve, YANBU to still be traumatized by this

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:56

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Watermelontea · 24/02/2020 13:56

@Smileyaxolotl1 - What?!
How is @thecatsthecats anything like people involved in the Rochdale scandals?! Is it because they call out what could be the start of a racist rant?
Hardly the same at all.

I’ve met plenty of cold hearted people of many races, so, what HAS being black got to do with anything?!

VisionQuest · 24/02/2020 13:57

I'm sorry you experienced that. It must have been awful.

I had the misfortune to encounter a truly evil midwife who performed a very painful stretch and sweep and did not tell me that was her intention. She was just supposed to check how dilated I was (4 days over at this point). When I screamed out in pain/shock she then shouted at me to be quiet.

She then went on to tell me I was going to be an awful parent as I was wearing an oversized band T-shirt with skull and crossbones on it! and how could any self respecting parent wear that etc. I was huge and it was the only T-shirt that fit me (my husbands)

I have never been made to feel as violated or low as she made me feel that day. This was 5 yrs ago and I wish to god I had complained about her. At the time, I was too scared to because I thought she might actually make up lies about me or claim I was an unfit mother. She was a nasty piece of work and if I ever ran into her now, I would be tempted to smack her one!

I'm not sure what the answer is OP, I just try not to dwell on it too much as it upsets me. I can't even remember this woman's last name now so not sure how I could make a complaint. I'm just sorry that you were treated in such an undignified manner.

It shocks me that there are people working in the medical profession who are so critical, nasty and devoid of empathy.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:58

And I think it’s really offensive that on a women’s site that you are so desperate to silence my experiences.

ConfusedSENmum · 24/02/2020 13:59

Yanbu, that’s awful. It wasn’t at Stoke Mandeville was it? I had an awful experience with a scan there. The woman was just beyond unpleasant and treated me like an irritating slab of meat.

thecatsthecats · 24/02/2020 13:59

@Smileyaxolotl1

You'd better stop replying then. The first and crudest assumption you've made is that the OP isn't black herself.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 13:59

And it’s nothing to do with being cold hearted watermelon it’s to do with the aspect of privacy as mentioned in the OP.

ScarlettBlaize · 24/02/2020 13:59

@Smileyaxolotl1 what the fuck are you on about? Please stop derailing the thread with your unwanted and irrelevant racism

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 14:00

The OP may well be black- it is entirely irrelevant to the point I was going to make.
Which I have been silenced on.
Be proud for silencing women who have gone through difficult experiences.
Well done you!