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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to still feel upset about EPAU during miscarriage?

38 replies

ladycarlotta · 24/02/2020 13:07

FYI, if it wasn't clear this concerns miscarriage and some unpleasant events surrounding it, so don't read on if you aren't prepared for that.

About 8 years ago, when I was 24, my contraception failed and I got pregnant. At about 6 weeks gest I saw a locum who was really kind and referred me to the local hospital EPAU for a scan as I was experiencing a lot of cramping. I don't exactly recall what was said, but I think we briefly discussed the fact I felt unready for a baby and didn't know how I'd manage.

The night before the scan I had a lot of pain and bleeding and was pretty sure I was losing the pregnancy. I went to the appointment alone as it was made at short notice, and was treated kind of brusquely by the person on reception which I wasn't bothered by. The woman who did my scan was really awful though. She opened the door to me then turned away without even speaking to me; I had never heard of a transvaginal ultrasound and didn't realise that I would have one pretty much until she told me to take my pants off in front of her and shoved the thing inside me. It was painful and she expressed disgust because I was bleeding.

After she'd done she went to her computer to type up notes, ignoring me again while I sat on the bed. She asked me what the name of the doctor who'd referred me was, but as this GP was a locum they weren't on the form. She got impatient and raised her voice asking again and again the name of the doctor, and then made me come over to look at the screen. I was still completely naked from the waist down, bleeding, I hadn't been given any privacy to dress or undress.

She hadn't said anything to me, but because she made me look at her screen I saw that she had written that the pregnancy was miscarrying, this was how I found out for sure. I'd thought it was likely but it felt really bleak and lonely to discover that way, as if I and my pregnancy really meant nothing. I left the EPAU reeling and quite numb - the whole experience felt brutal to me and I was very upset by it for a long time.

I've now carried a pregnancy to term, including trips to the EPAU (in a different area) once again for cramps and bleeding. All the professionals I met along the way were so kind, even those who didn't have much time acknowledged that I might be scared, anxious or in pain. I hadn't expected any of that since my first experience was so unpleasant and made me feel so shitty - I was actually surprised this time to always be offered a curtain to change behind and paper to cover up with, because those things were not offered to me at that scan. I have wondered often if I was treated that way because I attended without my partner, or because I looked young, or because it was on my notes that I didn't know if I wanted the baby. I have begun to believe that none of those factors mean I deserved to go through that, and encounter such unpleasantness while I was actively miscarrying.

I guess my AIBU is, AIBU to still feel upset by this? I wonder if I should have complained to the unit years ago - I presume it's too late. I guess maybe I want somebody to validate this experience at last, I have carried it around a long time and I know now that it was not right.

To be clear, I feel pretty mentally healthy and this doesn't overshadow my whole life, it's just that since I've had a more positive experience I've realised exactly how poorly I was treated.

OP posts:
Watermelontea · 24/02/2020 14:01

Nobody is silencing your experience, you’re not sharing it, you’re just trying to say it’s a cultural thing to be treated badly by a person of a certain race. What utter bollocks.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 14:03

I’m not at all.
But since it was seen as racist to question the race of a person And the OP is understandably wary of answering the question to given the aggressive responses from people here my point is not going to be said.

Watermelontea · 24/02/2020 14:04

Well the majority of her post isn’t based on just privacy, it’s based on the woman being a horrible heartless cow. So of course it comes across that way.
Lots of places have different attitudes to privacy, it’s an unnecessary question to see if she was black.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 14:05

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whiskeylullaby2 · 24/02/2020 14:06

@Smileyaxolotl1
No one is silencing your experiences, just your racism.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 24/02/2020 14:06

But this isn’t helpful to the OP so I will depart.

Beau20 · 24/02/2020 14:21

@Smileyaxolotl1 omg will you leave this thread! Your comments are so irreverent and clearly offensive as your first post was removed. Go away!

OP - if I was you, I would maybe raise a complaint with the hospital? For all you know, that woman may have had previous complaints (or only even 1) and may still work there. Your complaint may just help another out from suffering poor treatment. I know that is all speculation but it's worth the call, even if you don't want to take it to a full on complaint.

I'm so sorry you dealt with that, it sounds truly awful xx

rosesandcashmere · 24/02/2020 14:30

YANBU that sounds terrible. I was referred to our EPAU by BPAS - I had made a decision not to continue with a pregnancy but due to it being so early they were having issues finding the sac, along with severe cramping they needed to check for an eptopic. I was alone, and they could see I've been referred by an abortion clinic, but I was treated with the greatest of respect so I would say your experience is hopefully an exception. I'm not sure if it's too late to complain for you but I'm glad it wasn't so traumatic this time around.

CinderellasSecrets · 24/02/2020 14:31

OP you have every right to feel upset at the awful treatment you received, you can still put a complaint in, and as you say not all EPAUs are like that, some staff are unfortunately in the wrong job but most understand the women they are looking after are generally anxious and in pain.

@smileyaxolotl1 when I had my first miscarriage, the nurse who sat by my bed and let me cry on her shoulder while telling me it was ok, was black. I have met so many amazing healthcare professionals who have been fantastic regardless of their race. I've also met plenty who frankly are in the wrong job and have a rubbish bedside manner - and they have all come from different cultures and races too.

Hoppinggreen · 24/02/2020 14:39

My experience at our local EPAU when I lost my baby was so awful that I had my 2 subsequent babies at a completely different hospital, largely because to access both units you had to use the same entrance, Reception and initial waiting room - try walking through a crowd of excited families waving 12 week scan photos around after being told your baby has died!
Luckily about 10 years later I found myself in a position where I was able to do something about it and with help I managed to get the Epau moved to a different area. I was lucky to find myself in a position where I could influence that, although to be honest it was part of my motivation for getting there but there might be something you can do to help other women in a Similar position if you feel able to OP

Toria70 · 24/02/2020 14:42

I was told during a scan that my 26 week old baby had died inside me. The technician was very abrupt and clearly pissed off that she'd got called back in after hours. Her evening may have been ruined but at that moment, it felt like my entire life had.

But I really can't find the energy to be angry or even think about it years later.

ladycarlotta · 24/02/2020 22:48

Thanks guys. This really helps - just knowing it wasn't just me. I've never really spoken about it to anybody. I think particularly as the pregnancy was accidental I never felt I had much right to any support or sympathy, although I really did care about it very much. I've probably done myself a disservice by being silent about it so long.

For the record, this woman was not black. Sigh.

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Kanga83 · 24/02/2020 23:00

Very similar horrendous experience to my threatened miscarriage 7 years ago. I'm very sorry for how you were treated. This was a hospital in Kent which is generally a shit hospital. I was sent with a threatened miscarriage (I had already had a miscarriage 3 months prior to this). I was in tears as I went into the EPAU and the midwife/nurse asked why I was crying. I said because the out of hours GP (bank holiday) believed I was miscarrying again and I'd had to wait three days for this appointment. She huffed and said word for word 'well no one knows if baby has died or not until we scan you so your doctor was stupid. We'll soon find out'. I then had a scan in silence for 10 mine, I asked straight away if she could see anything? 'Silence please while I scan. Questions won't change the outcome'. As it happens I didn't mc that time, but it was a horrendous experience and way to be spoken too. It still leaves me reeling with anger and I've been terrified of scans throughout both my successful pregnancies as a result of it.

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