To find this wrong in a young child's book - particularly in a Bookstart book?

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'bath' rhymed with 'laugh'.

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WHat's wrong with the Scarecrow song?

I love the scarecrow song.

SOngs aren't always gramatically correct anyway, neither are nursery rhymes etc cos they have to fit in with the rhythmn.

Is it really worth getting worked up over? One book being read out of all the conversation/books being read etc etc that kids get their language skills from.

I say baff and laff so it rhymes for me

I'm with Cod.

Bath and laugh rhyme when I say it.

And if I say it in an northern monkey () accent, it still rhymes!

Wilfric..you havent been to enough playgroups Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is a classic song, the children love it.

it does rhyme.
the 'th' and 'ff' sounds are irrelevent, you pronounce both differently (ie you don't have to say barf) - its the vowel sound that rhymes.

barrrrth and larrrrff
or bath and laff

you see?

I think its an example of assonance...

Oh my God, some of you reallllyyyyy need to get out more!

Childrens rhyming crimes - come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KC bangs her head on desk in hopes that this thread will be gone when she lifts it again...

Sorry, but in a children's rhyme the th and f are not irrelevant. Assonance or no assonance. I thoroughly disagree.

They do rhyme. I say Barf and Larf. I'm from the south but the wrong side of town.

It does rhyme to me

Agree with KC and thomcat though!

The point is though at this point it isnt about being gramatically pedantic just making things interesting enough to hold their interest, worry about the rest of it later when they are older.

But that's the joy of language - endless creativity! Children learn how to use language correctly, despite our daily errors and playfulness around language (hesitations etc).

Its not a book teaching how to rhyme words, it's a fun story book - it isn't the law that it rhymes, it's just to make the story flow nicely. If you read it out loud, it reads ok (think it's something like -

I am sitting in my bath,
Peepo Duck, you make me laugh!)

Anyway, no more on this thread from me...

Agggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

If you live in London and speak with a London accent BATH and LAUGH rhyme, okay, they rhyme.

"in a children's rhyme the th and f are not irrelevant. Assonance or no assonance."

oh
MY
GOD

I pronounce bath - barth and I pronounce laugh - laugh - they rhyme.

It's a children rhyme and they rhyme.

That surely is enough for anyone to accept, surely???????????????

When older children join in I would say that bath and laugh rhyme enough for it to scan, which is the main point surely? It keeps a rhythmn. If I were teaching children about how to make words rhyme, I might not use it as the best example, but it doesn't set my teeth on edge. There are a few nursery rhymes out there that make me shudder but that's another issue altogether.

im wiht ya tc

tc

do you say laaarrth??

Oh my God right, the owl and the pussycat would never fall in love and sail off in a pea green boat, that's a fucking CRIME. And how does a fecking dish run off with a sppon. That's IMPOSSIBLE! And why did the granmd old duke of york march 10,100, count them, 10thousand men up a hill only to march them straight down again, and Humpty Dumpty was a egg, an egg with legs that the queens horses couldn't put back together again.

Same book bugs me as it has a pic in of a baby going to sleep with a bottle of milk in it's cot. Just annoying but the rhyme bit never bothered me - I still read both words correctly

nope - thread still here. banging head recommences...

I guess I say larrf

Blimey, never had to think about it so hard.

I say Barth and larrf, yeah that's what I say, and those words rhyme

I say barf and larf. Can't see the prob myself

Actually, this is becoming a bit of a larrf - I can see it veering into the origins of nersery rhymes now. Must go and do some work, will come back when we are onto the persecution of catholics during the reformation...

My point exactly. Unless your normal language is barf and larf as in sarf london, it's simply wrong. Not that I care at all, but there are so many fantastic rhyming books out there, I set my standards higher.

But actually to be honest, what does rhyme with bath (as in barth)? Apart from aftermath?

nUrsery ryhmes

OH MY GOD

(I'm with TC and cod).

BATH and Laugh do ryhme - there's no "R" in it - like Grass isn't grars (ie it doesn't rhyme with arse )