To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

[Moomin8]

The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

It really doesn't matter why anybody voted to leave the EU. Not on this forum.
All remain voters are fabulous wonderful amazing compassionate human beings. They're the only people in the U.K. that have a brain and their fabulousness must be applauded every day.
Leave voters are racist, thick, stupid twats.
End of.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/poles-dont-want-immigrants-they-dont-understand-them-dont-like-them

Poland has never been a hospitable country for refugees. In 2014 the head of the office for immigration granted protection to just 732 foreigners, and refused entry to 2,000 people. Of those accepted, 115 were Syrian – although civil war in Syria has forced 4 million people to flee. About 5,500 cases were dismissed, primarily because refugees were trying to reach western Europe, particularly Germany

Surveys show that for a majority of Poles the world’s problems should should be dealt with by someone else.

Politicians are in a fix. On the one hand, the EU has asked Poland to do more to resettle foreigners in the name of European solidarity. Some of Poland’s partners note that it has done very well out of EU membership. Now is the time to give back.

Again, apologies for the Guardian link

Sarcasm from me.

Imo there was a lot of concern about freedom of movement because of the migrant crisis. People were worried they’d get EU passports and just walk into our country.

As the loonies are well and truly in charge of the asylum it is going to get worse before it gets better.

I haven't met a single leave voter that either isn't an ill-informed bigot or stands to make money out of brexit.

It really doesn't matter why anybody voted to leave the EU. Not on this forum.
All remain voters are fabulous wonderful amazing compassionate human beings. They're the only people in the U.K. that have a brain and their fabulousness must be applauded every day.
Leave voters are racist, thick, stupid twats.
End of

That's not what I think at all but certain people don't do much to convince me that the leave vote was not for racist reasons.

This vote will affect my children's future. So I have a right to be annoyed if the decision for us to leave the EU will turn out to fuck the U.K. up even more than it already is with this Tory government.

It's Muslims they really hate
I agree with this. Backward attitudes regarding issues such as equality, women’s rights and animal welfare etc leave many people fearful that people from other countries won’t fit into our society. Plus there’s the fear of terrorism. Turkey was threatening to join the EU at the time of the vote, so they would have flooded in to the UK, and there were thousands of economic migrants trying to force their way in too. Media coverage of the way these migrants were behaving in mainland Europe triggered widespread opposition to letting them into the UK.

The problem with the migrant crisis is that it is a symptom of the way in which our world wide economic model is failing most of us.

We feel we aren’t getting “enough” and then turn on those who we think are taking our resources.

And all the while, those that are, piss off merrily with the wealth getting richer and richer.

I can't see how it's about EU laws. Which EU laws do people disagree with? Most of them protect us.
Most of them protect vested interests against competition from upcoming enterprises. Why do you think big business was so in favour of staying? They can do all of their lobbying in one place rather than lobbying 28 individual governments. Once they've had the laws drafted to discourage competitors from starting up, they can carry on making a mint out of their monopoly.

I would have voted remain if I could have voted, but ...

Oh well. I have relatives in Greece who are now hoping to get less British "job seekers" = Brits being on vacation for three months in Greece on British benefits and spending all the time binge drinking, vomiting in the streets and flashing passers-by while having the attitude of "being the white superior race".

But yes, damn those Polish workers who come to Britain with their superior work ethics and good skills who dare to show up on time and do the job agreed upon to the price agreed upon. That is just unfair competition , as a British Union Leader said on BBC news in 2014. I don't think he actually realized what he said about his own union members there, but we were entertained, so there is alway that .

Freedom of movement is always talked about as immigrants coming here. We've lost rights to move too.

Voting to restrict our own freedoms, it's so depressing.

I voted leave. The once lovely town I came from became a no go area, flooded with Eastern European's the type no one wanted, benefit tourists, the council got lots of government funding to take these people. They don't even bother looking for a job.

If the people had been the type that found jobs, mixed with the existing community, no one would have bothered. At the local hospital there are lots of European staff, cleaners, nurses etc these people are lovely, hardworking and friendly.

The reason Polish workers work hard is because they earn four times as much here. Quadruple my salary and I’ll be conscientious too! Meanwhile British people struggle to accept temp work like fruit picking etc because they have the hassle of getting off benefits and getting back on them afterwards, plus the conditions are poor and the salary isn’t good enough for them to put up with it.

I love living in a multi-cultural society and have no doubt that people who come to this country do so to work & contribute ..but actually, surely there is a point to be made about HOW a large unskilled labour force might drive the economy? My dad (before he retired) worked for a large courier company - he had a full time contract; a uniform; he drove a company van; holiday; sick pay; policies about overtime. Now compare that to a company like amazon- prime offers unbelievably speedy next day delivery, someone usually turns up in their own car, these people are probably self employed or on zero hours contracts I presume (might be wrong).. I’m sure that company such as this contribute loads to the economy, but are the conditions good for workers? - the larger the unskilled labour pool the more companies can drive down workers rights surely? ..I mean look at Uber drivers or the poor sods delivering takeaways on their bikes in the rain - if people weren’t prepared to do these jobs, then these company’s wouldn’t be able to offer these services in the same way- but would this be bad for workers? Might be bad for the people benefiting from cheap deliveries or taxis or the companies themselves -but for ordinary low paid workers maybe it wouldn’t be a bad thing? Just strikes me as strange that the Labour Party completely dismiss this type of thinking saying they want to extend freedom of movement (possibly driving down wages / working conditions further) and the conservatives (who you would think would be all for the above) are the ones trying to limit it.. To be fair, I’m probably way off the mark here, as I don’t understand the logic and not sure what the answer is either..

All those very poor employment terms are down not to the EU but your government. The EU actually guaranteed quite a lot of employment rights and zero hours contracts were the way of getting around this in the UK.

So on that basis, I would imagine that the good old days are not coming back.

Moomin8
The last time I read anything on this subject (sorry to disappoint you, I don't read the DM) approximately 12% of prisoners in the UK were foreign citizens. I'm sure you can google that info as well as I can but if you are unable, let me know and I will find the info online.

I think the rubbish wages and the cost of living haven't helped. Surely more people applying for jobs drives down wages.

Plus more need for housing. The UK is suffering from severe flooding.

I never understood how the UK government couldn't invest in its own population,so we don't have a skill shortage.

e.g. no longer funding NHS courses and then needing to import NHS workers - how stupid is that?

I don’t agree, none of my leave friends put freedom of movement as a reason to vote leave. And no I am not getting into a debate over why they did vote leave.

I am fed up of people like you assuming that’s why people did vote leave.

It’s done, let’s now move on

I never understood how the UK government couldn't invest in its own population,so we don't have a skill shortage.

It is the skilled jobs that will be filled by immigrants under the new policy. They want UK citizens to do the low-paid jobs so they don't have to bother funding education and training. They can just poach from other countries that have already paid for it. See how the government has decimated education funding over the past decade - they are not interested in an educated population. The more ignorant the voter, the better in their opinion.

"flooded with Eastern European's the type no one wanted, benefit tourists, the council got lots of government funding to take these people. They don't even bother looking for a job"

They can't GET benefits of any kind without Leave To Remain status. To get that, you have to prove you have a job.

Definitely a part of why I voted leave. But obviously other reasons too. Still stand by my reasons for doing so, and think the points system being brought in is a great idea. Tried and tested - hasn’t disadvantaged Canada or Australia.

Ooh more of our youths are going to university so keeping them in education. Something TB encouraged. I'm not commenting on the value of some of the subjects studied

The points system is fundamentally flawed because it implies that what salary you earn determines your value.

The tories eh, understand the price of everything, value of nothing.

The points based system is been deemed a failure by many employers in Australia.