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AIBU to be really worried about the Boris Johnson/Dominic Cummings government?

42 replies

KenDodd · 16/02/2020 19:08

They really, really worry me the way they go after those who voice concerns, and don't cheer for their lies. I've been watching the footage from the cabinet meeting of everyone cheering Johnson's numbers on nurses and hospitals. The BBC (and others) have pointed out these numbers are false, Johnson is now after the BBC. They also have the judiciary in their sights. I made a bet with my son recently that they will withdraw us from the European Court of Human Rights. They will use deporting foreign born criminals as a trojan horse to argue for this. The thing that scares me the most is that the public will cheer for all of this.

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John470322 · 16/02/2020 19:12

He seems determined to turn a democracy into a dictatorship

dwum · 16/02/2020 19:12

YANBU

KenDodd · 16/02/2020 19:14

Oh, and I didn't even mention the Russian report.

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oatmilk4breakfast · 16/02/2020 19:19

Worried too. You’re not alone. Makes me angry. Who exactly do they think they are? Am trying to work out DC’s motivation

ssd · 16/02/2020 19:20

I agree. I also suspect this is way over the heads of the people who voted for him.

Alsohuman · 16/02/2020 19:22

They completely terrify me. This country’s sleepwalking into a dictatorship and, by the time people start waking up, it’ll be too late.

hiddenmnetter · 16/02/2020 19:24

Bit hard to worry- haven't you seen yes prime minister? The civil service are in control anyway

MoodLighting · 16/02/2020 19:25

YANBU this is why the civil service is getting "restructuring". Fucking awful.

Peapod29 · 16/02/2020 19:28

The civil service are in control anyway

This is they way it should be. We don’t have a presidential office like the US so the civil service are more ‘impartial’ to an extent. I think this is really important. Dominic Cummings and BJ are essentially trying to change this and unless politicians stand up to them (like Sajid had too) they will happily sack anyone who doesn’t fully agree with their agenda. It’s like a dictatorship.

KenDodd · 16/02/2020 19:29

I also suspect this is way over the heads of the people who voted for him.
The people who voted for him seem to love it though. I think they want him to remove judicial oversight and scrutiny by the BBC. I bet they'll be really keen to withdraw us from ECHR as well. It does seem terrifying the direction of travel and that we must cheer for the lies or we're unpatriotic.

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ssd · 16/02/2020 19:29

Hope we get independence. Its the only way to leave this right wing megalomaniac government behind. I know the SNP aren't perfect, but Scotland is a far more socialist country than England.
We need to get away.

MirandaWest · 16/02/2020 19:30

I find it scary too. And it feels there’s nothing that can be done.

Alsohuman · 16/02/2020 19:31

The civil service are in control anyway

Not for much longer. Cummings hates it, he’s got it firmly in his sights. They can do anything they like with a majority of 80.

KenDodd · 16/02/2020 19:33

The civil service are in control anyway

Oh yes, I forgot about their assault on the civil service as well. All descending voices (ie. not completely on board with the lies) are being removed and denounced.

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KenDodd · 16/02/2020 19:36

Ok, three quarters think ianbu.

I actually half expected it to the 52/48 with 52% saying iabu.

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KenDodd · 16/02/2020 21:18

Anyone else think they'll go after ECHR next?

Also, is anyone who voted for them worried about the attacks on the courts, the BBC and the civil service?
How we have voted in recent years seem to dictate how we see things in a way I don't think it ever has before.

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ssd · 16/02/2020 22:40

Not many will admit voting for him and trusting him, though God knows enough did. Hence us being in this mess.

KenDodd · 17/02/2020 09:58

I actually don't think its unfair to compare some of what's happening today the Germany in the 1930s.

www.ft.com/content/7b75c07e-50b6-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1

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longwayoff · 17/02/2020 10:11

Spot on, KenDodd, and with Trump constantly channeling Mussolini all we need is Franco and we'll have the full 1930s set. O brave new world that has such people in it.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 17/02/2020 10:13

Cummings didn't manage to influence Johnson over HS2. Cummings referred to HS2 as "a disaster zone". Johnson has decided it will go ahead.

Cummings is, reportedly, in favour of a Manson tax which I believe Johnson ls too. However the tory party grass roots aren't in favour so Boris has done a u-turn on it.

I'm not sure Cummings has the level of influence over Johnson that some people claim.

Alsohuman · 17/02/2020 10:44

I'm not sure Cummings has the level of influence over Johnson that some people claim

You keep telling yourself that. I beg to differ.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 17/02/2020 11:29

Well I've given two big things he has failed to influence Johnson on. Plenty of Tories are refusing to deal with Cummings' aide too so that will be another area he loses on.

EerieSilence · 17/02/2020 11:34

You will have plenty of people who will tell you it isn't so but tbh, the Tory voters knew exactly who they voted for. The likes of Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings, Patel and Sabisky. The rhetoric of the Daily Mail and beyond, even though even the Daily Mail looked a bit scared after the red wedding that was the last government reshuffle.

Alsohuman · 17/02/2020 12:02

He’s picking his battles @NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite, either that or pretending to lose one or two to distract from the big ones. Cummings is planning to annihilate the civil service and politicise the courts. We should be very worried indeed.

KenDodd · 17/02/2020 20:20

I see number 10 have refused to distance themselves from the views of Andrew Sabisky. I wonder if this is a calculated decision based on the idea that these opinions will not damage them or cost them any base support?

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