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AIBU to think these comments from Peter Tatchell are concerning? *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request

36 replies

CaveMum · 12/02/2020 12:07

Why on earth do people keep giving this odious man air time? And why on earth does he have an opinion on girls and their right to privacy and dignity.

Apparently we should be encouraging girls not to be embarrassed by their bodies so that they’ll happily get changed in mixed sex facilities. Sounds like a massive safeguarding red flag to me!

twitter.com/rtuknews/status/1226901136566870018?s=21

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CaveMum · 12/02/2020 12:07

This sums it up pretty well:

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1227210600347992065?s=20

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AriadnesFilament · 12/02/2020 12:10

So that they’ll happily get changed in mixed sex changing facilities so creepy gits can lech all over them and they don’t mind? Is that the subtext of this?

HumphreyCobblers · 12/02/2020 12:11

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CaveMum · 12/02/2020 14:19

BiscuitBarrels, yes pretty much. If you tell a child they must not express any discomfort in these situations how are they going to be able to tell the difference when they are in a genuinely threatening situation?

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ZIGGY7 · 12/02/2020 14:25

I would suggest that any girl or woman who is forced to change in front of any man is a genuinely threatening situation.

SmileEachDay · 12/02/2020 14:27

PIE.

Peter Tatchell should have no voice or public opinion when it comes to safeguarding.

ChickenonaMug · 12/02/2020 14:29

YANBU and this is not the only comment made by Peter Tatchell that is concerning. His comment about children from age 9yrs old having sex with adults that gave the children great joy is clearly incredibly concerning, as is his opinion "it is time that society acknowledged that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful" and to be clear he was talking about 'sex', in other words rape, of children by adults.

Peter Tatchell should clearly not be encouraging teachers or anyone to "challenge those who feel uncomfortable, to make them feel comfortable in their own bodies, to enable them not to feel, embarrassed or threatened or ashamed" This opinion of his is particularly awful because it seems clear that he does not respect girls' boundaries and he does not seem to understand or care that many girls will actually have been threatened, harassed or assaulted by males in their lives already.

I do not understand why so many schools think that he is a suitable person to have delivering talks to schools or discussing boundaries or sexual assaults with children.

I do not understand why he is listened to when he puts forward his proposals for relationships and sex education in schools.

popehilarious · 12/02/2020 14:32

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PoppyBrighton · 12/02/2020 14:33

In his view no child can acknowledge their feelings when confronted with male naked adults and their feelings are inherently wrong. Adults are always right whether standing naked before you, ogling naked children or having sex with the children.

2fallsagain · 12/02/2020 14:39

He is the patron of Educate and Celebrate. They go into schools to tell kids there are no barriers to love, amongst other things. Any school commenting here or being give awards needs a serious safeguarding health check twitter.com/educatecelebrat

74NewStreet · 12/02/2020 14:44

There are an awful lot of weird and wonderful characters being welcomed into schools these days.
Who actually gives permission for these propaganda sessions, are they compelled by the board of education, or something? Confused

Tellmetruth4 · 12/02/2020 14:47

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Whatisthisfuckery · 12/02/2020 15:05

It’s beyond me how a man who does not have any relevant experience or qualifications with children,, and who has made on record comments that look dodgy as hell about children having sex with adults and lowering the age of consent should be allowed anywhere near a school, let alone lorded as the patron of an organisation that delivers RSE. The world has gone fucking mad. If he goes anywhere near my DS’s school I’ll be down there like a shot. His interest in children looks deeply questionable in the extreme.

MrsSnippyPants · 12/02/2020 16:08

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Bezalelle · 12/02/2020 16:41

People need to understand that the rainbow flag isn't all happy, accepting freedoms and unicorns.

It's a massive lobby underpinned by a desire to break down safeguards and barriers.

Always ask "Who benefits?" It's almost always powerful men.

Always ask "Where is the money?" and it will lead you to these men.

BanKittenHeels · 12/02/2020 16:45

PIE
PIE
PIE

popehilarious · 12/02/2020 16:51

Ooh, my first deletion that I know of - no email. Thought it was benign and agreeing with others but I see those posts characterising this as certain word have also been deleted.

Anyway, the dog needs his fur brushing by a professional so I'm off to the

HumphreyCobblers · 12/02/2020 19:23

Can't believe I was deleted.

No email.

Can I say that encouraging girls to lack boundaries so that they will tolerate naked men in their spaces without complaint, no matter how uncomfortable it makes them, is A BAD THING?

hazeyjane · 12/02/2020 19:26

I was appalled by this interview. The idea that girls of 13 need to get over their discomfort....fuck that shit.

Ikeasucks · 12/02/2020 19:46

Check your schools policy on this, Peter and likes of Stonewall are basically forcing and shaming girls (and boys) to not speak up if they feel uncomfortable with boys (girls) in their loos, changing rooms etc. They have access to dictate policy and “best practice”

AIBU to think these comments from Peter Tatchell are concerning? *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request
AIBU to think these comments from Peter Tatchell are concerning? *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request
AIBU to think these comments from Peter Tatchell are concerning? *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request
CaveMum · 12/02/2020 19:48

The new CPS “guidance” on hate crimes is also concerning - suggesting that a girl who objects to a transgirl in the female changing rooms could be punished under hate crime legislation.

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blubellsarebells · 12/02/2020 21:37

Deeply questionable indeed.
So why are the people who are supposed to be protecting our children, not asking the relevant questions?

blubellsarebells · 12/02/2020 21:41

I'm also wondering who is reporting and/or moderating this thread.

GCAcademic · 12/02/2020 21:48

I'm also wondering who is reporting and/or moderating this thread.

If it’s anything like the Feminism board, there are people monitoring us constantly when the subject of safeguarding is discussed. Certain activists have lobbied MNHQ to ensure that we are not permitted to use the necessary words to discuss what is happening.

Winesalot · 12/02/2020 22:12

This man is deeply troubling. That he is given access to schools or even a platform to speak is frightening. If this is allowed, surely this is a safeguarding failure.