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To ask what you would do if someone threatened your child like this?

40 replies

riotlady · 11/02/2020 13:43

Since I’ve become a parent I’ve been reflecting more on my own childhood, and I was hoping to get some perspective on a particular incident.

I had a not very good boyfriend when I was 16 and on this occasion he was staying with us and not meeting my parents standards for manners (which are quite strict). One night he asked if he could read the last couple of pages of his book before coming down for dinner (which my mum had cooked). My parents were very angry and took it out on me later, even though I hadn’t really done anything myself and was trying to moderate between them. I stayed quiet when they were shouting at me which angered my stepdad even more. He ended up shoving me over so that I landed on the bed, bending over me, pressing his fist against my chin and threatening to smash my face in.

My mum got between us and he didn’t actually hit me. Aside from one other incident where he held onto my arms so I couldn’t leave the room during an argument, he has been a loving and attentive dad. We have a great relationship and I’m very fond of him. In fact, it’s my mum who I’ve always had a trickier relationship with- she’s very unpredictable and quite narcissistic, every event is all about her emotions and never mine. As an example, after this happened, she came to my room later and lay on my bed and cried about being a bad mother until I reassured her that she wasn’t. She didn’t care much about how I felt about it.

Now that I have my own daughter, I feel like if anyone ever threatened her like that, I would want to claw their eyes out, it’s just an overwhelming protective instinct. I certainly couldn’t have stayed with them. But in my mums case, I think we’re all better off having my stepdad in our lives- they have a great marriage and he’s a good dad to my half sister and me. I’m curious as to what other parents would have done in my mums situation?

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bingbangbing · 11/02/2020 13:51

Left him.

Not acceptable behaviour.

I have utter contempt for women who allow people to hurt their kids.

redastherose · 11/02/2020 13:54

Wow! That is some over-reaction. Obviously your Step-Father shouldn't have pushed you or threatened you and your Mother should have left at that point. The fact that this occurred through something you hadn't actually done yourself makes it even worse as you were being blamed for the actions of another. Also, whilst a bit rude to delay going down for dinner it would have only taken a couple of minutes to read the last two pages and their response was completely out of proportion. My parents were strict about manners but that is completely out of order, had he needed to go to the toilet or wash his hands before eating it could have taken as long. The dynamic in your family seems rather screwed up. If your Mother is narcissistic did she manipulate your Step-Father into being the disciplinarian or was it him who was ridiculously strict on manners etc?

RedHelenB · 11/02/2020 13:55

No one is perfect and if all his other interactions with you were loving them maybe your mum put it down to the odd burst of bad temper? Hard to say without seeing your family in action.

BonnieSeptember · 11/02/2020 13:55

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billy1966 · 11/02/2020 13:56

Left him OP.
I'm another woman who doesn't understand women standing by while their new partner abuses their children.

💐

MayFayner · 11/02/2020 13:57

I’ve only read as far as your step dad pushing you.

I have an 18yo DD and her stepdad has been in her life for about 10 years.

If he did this, or even a quarter of what your step dad did to you, he would have been gone.

There have been times when I felt that DH has been a bit snappy with DD (over the years) and I’ve had strong words.

Liverbird77 · 11/02/2020 14:00

I was physically abused by my father as a child/teen and also called names. Not the odd smack. For example, once he grabbed my hair and repeatedly smashed my head into a door, punched me in the face and kicked me in the stomach as I fell to the ground. Another time he bust my nose because my mum had said I could watch TV and then fine next door. He came in and decided he wanted to watch something else.
It has scarred me if I am honest with myself
My mum was aware of it but minimises it or says she doesn't remember things happening. It actually fills me with rage.
Like you, OP, this has come up more since I've had my own child. I see how my husband treats our son. I am pregnant with a little girl and I know he will be the same with her: protective, gentle, loving and kind. I can't get past what happened.
I know that if my children were treated this way, I'd leave. The fact she stays with him and doesn't acknowledge what went on has made me start to dislike her. I feel awful even saying this because we've always been super close.
Can anyone else relate?

Embracelife · 11/02/2020 14:00

You illustrated it perfectly. Despite that occasion of abuse and violence you protest he is a great stepdad.

So your mother was /is happy to put up with violent behaviour so long as some if the time he is a "great stepdad/husbsnd" .

Liverbird77 · 11/02/2020 14:02

Oh and my mum always points out that my dad has always been generous with money. Great. As if that makes up for the other shit.

mantarays · 11/02/2020 14:06

I’d leave anyone who behaved like that with anyone.

mantarays · 11/02/2020 14:06

Your boyfriend was bloody rude, though, as an aside.

riotlady · 11/02/2020 14:10

If your Mother is narcissistic did she manipulate your Step-Father into being the disciplinarian or was it him who was ridiculously strict on manners etc?

I wouldn’t say she manipulated him, but he has a massive blind spot where she’s concerned and gets disproportionately angry if he thinks someone has upset or disrespected her (like my boyfriend not coming down to dinner quickly enough or bringing flowers when he came to stay). She was abused by my biological dad, so I think that’s why he’s overprotective.

My mum was very strict on some things growing up and lax on others, he just backed up whatever she said.

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Embracelife · 11/02/2020 14:11

Abusers dont abuse all the time. Bullies are "great" some of the time. That s why people stay. Look up cycle of abuse.
You are happy to have him in your life. Your mother's issues may be partly due to living with a bully.

riotlady · 11/02/2020 14:13

Your boyfriend was bloody rude, though, as an aside.

Oh he was fucking terrible- 5 years older than me, really controlling, terrible with people. They weren’t wrong to dislike him, but wrong I think to take it out on me.

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peachescariad · 11/02/2020 14:15

Left him...or rather I'd have thrown him out. Absolute no brainer for me.
I wouldn't care about how 'great' he was or his money - touch my kids like that or show any sort of abusive/violence trait and you can fuck off mate.
I also can't get my head around women who stay with abusive/violent partners.

Thisisthelaststraw · 11/02/2020 14:15

My dh is dd’s stepfather. He wouldn’t have touched the floor on the way out if he did that to her 🤬

Thankfully he is a loving dad and wouldn’t even dream of committing such abuse.

It boils my piss the notion that it’s okay because the rest of the time he was good. Assault is assault!

I’m sorry your 16yr old self experienced that situation.

RainbowFlowers · 11/02/2020 14:24

Sorry to hear what happened to you.
I am not defending your mum in anyway but theres always a reason why people are narcissistic. I don't believe people are born that way. You say she was abused by her Dad so I think this is why she is the way she is. I'm saying this not to defend her but to show you that her lack of support to you has nothing to do with you as a person and more to do with the abuse inflicted on her growing up.

riotlady · 11/02/2020 14:29

@RainbowFlowers I get that, I really do, but at the same time... I didn’t have a great time growing up. I went through trauma and mental health issues. And I think (I hope!) that I still manage to be a strong, empathetic mother to my daughter. I know we’re different people with different circumstances but there’s a part of me that says why couldn’t she do that for me?

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MulticolourMophead · 11/02/2020 14:30

OP, you've said he's been a good dad.

What will you do if he does something similar to your child in the future?

Because if anyone had done this to my child they'd be history. As my ex is.

PhoneTwattery · 11/02/2020 14:35

Two incidents in a lifetime, neither with physical abuse and in your own words "He's been a loving and attentive Dad?"

People are not perfect and this is not abuse.

riotlady · 11/02/2020 14:38

What will you do if he does something similar to your child in the future?

I feel like I would want to kill him, but in reality they would be cut out of our lives for good.

I don’t think that he would though, and I don’t think I’m being naive. The incident with him grabbing my arms was 8 years ago and nothing has happened since. He’s never done anything like that to my half sister (who is his biological daughter) and he has a really loving relationship with my DD. And it’s a lot harder to push someone to that point when you don’t live with them (my parents will NOT be guardians of DD should my partner and I die)

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riotlady · 11/02/2020 14:41

*Two incidents in a lifetime, neither with physical abuse and in your own words "He's been a loving and attentive Dad?"

People are not perfect and this is not abuse.*

I’ve never called it abuse. It probably is assault, since he pushed me over, but I’d never say he’s an abusive parent or anything.

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mantarays · 11/02/2020 14:45

If you were 16 and bringing your 21 year old boyfriend home, I’d suggest this incident with your stepfather probably wasn’t the only incident of inappropriate things happening in your family home, OP? I sympathise as my family was totally dysfunctional. I think all you can do as an adult is let it go.

Embracelife · 11/02/2020 15:20

You say he (still?) Gets disproportionately angry and threatened to smash your face in.
your mum got between you (to protect you?)
Then she cried to you.
You question why she stayed yet argue he is great stepdad.
So it s complex isn't it?

Like you she clearly believes his "goodness" outweighs any bad moments. Or cannot or will not or would not do any thing against the status quo.

You suggest she should have acted more e g left him or protected you more yet also you say he is a great stepdad....so..which is it? Probably both...
.like many he is capable of great rages but also has a "nice" side..(we often read that .the murderer next door "was such a nice guy" said the neighbour ... )

A good therapist can help you explore all of this if you want to.

Thisisthelaststraw · 11/02/2020 15:27

I’ve read the subsequent comments and to be honest I’m triggered so I feel I was and would continue to project. All I can say is I agree with a previous poster who suggested therapy to deal with your feelings relating to your childhood and relationships and I wish you well.