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I need advice- child needs her

46 replies

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:10

Apologies but I’ve name changed because I can’t risk this being linked with other posts. I’m not new. Been here for a year or two. I want to be able to be specific here because I’m in a dilemma and need advice so name change makes sense. This is going to be really long so thanks in advance for reading.

I am very worried about a child I know. He is 6 years old. He lives with his mother. He has been taken from his mother by the police twice in the recent past because she has been drunk with him and he has been in danger. Prior to this there were other referrals to social services to do with alcohol use and very low school attendance. The cases are then closed after a time. This last time the police found him alone and he was taken to live with his father. Social services were involved but didn’t take him into care because he had his father to look after him. His mother had been required to give up drinking and to attend AA meetings. After a couple of months he was returned to his mother and she said she had stopped drinking.

The child’s father had recounted numerous times that the child had witnessed his mother being violent and aggressive and to different people including the father. He described the little boy as being frightened and distressed. When mum was found intoxicated in the street with the child, the father was asked by the police about whether this had happened before. He lied and said it was the first time.

The child is underweight and has a health condition that does not seem to be dealt with responsibly.

Tonight I have been told that the mother has not stopped drinking and has attacked the father this evening after drinking all afternoon. Both parents were drinking with the child present. Mother was very drunk and attacked father and then took the child home on her own. The father is very upset about being attacked but doesn’t seem to be able to understand how awful this is for the helpless child.

I feel I must report her to social services because I am now aware of this. The father is very angry with me and does not want me to report it. He said he never wants to speak to me because of this attitude of mine! I have said it has to be reported and the little boy needs to be protected. The father doesn’t seem to have empathy. I’m very shaken by this argument with the father because I had no idea that the child was still suffering and also I’ve been called disloyal for suggesting that it must be reported.

I don’t know exactly where the child lives but this evening I’ve been walking about the streets close to where he lives in case he was wandering about in the storm. (He has wandered off previously).

I feel so sad for the child and guilty too. I have often offered to have him with us but this is turned down or ignored. I’m ashamed that I didn’t call the police and I feel complicit in the neglect for this.

I know In my heart that this child will be taken into care. I know that there are some carers who are not great. He probably should have been removed long ago. This is going to cause huge fallout with ramifications probably forever. But I can’t ignore this and I’m shocked that the father is doing nothing.

I’m repeating myself now. I have to report this don’t I? Would the School be a good starting place? Would they say who had reported? I really can’t sleep for worrying and I wish I could just go and get the child.

Any advice? Anyone had any similar experience?

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Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:13

I actually meant the title to be child needs help. That’s what I wrote but actually both apply.

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Purpleartichoke · 10/02/2020 01:17

Yes, you must report.

You may have to report again in the future.
The system works slowly and having two alcoholic parents is a nightmare for a child.

LangSpartacusCleg · 10/02/2020 01:20

I would report it directly to social services. They will contact the school to get more information from them if necessary.

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:21

@Purpleartichoke thank you. I just can’t sleep. I feel so selfish for worrying about the repercussions and loyalty etc but when I think of him my stomach is turning over and I’m so sad. I wish he could come and live with me.

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Icanflyhigh · 10/02/2020 01:22

Yes absolutely report. I'd not to SC, reportcto police on 101 and they can do a safe and well check ans then they will refer on to SC.

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:23

@LangSpartacusCleg do you think I would need to give my details? I think the parents would know it’s me because I’ve argued with the father this evening about it.

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Brusselsprouts21 · 10/02/2020 01:25

Report it definitely. I wouldn't even think twice. Poor child.

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:26

@Icanflyhigh I should have called the police at the time I heard about it. It’s too late now. Late at night I mean. I will talk to a social worker friend tomorrow.

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TenShortStories · 10/02/2020 01:28

Do you think the child is currently alone with their drunk mother who has just violently attacked someone... I'd definitely phone 101 for that if that's the measure of the situation. From what you've said they'll probably think it's you anyway won't they, however it gets reported?

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:28

@Brusselsprouts21thank you. I know I should. I’ll be brave. I feel ashamed for not calling the police this evening. He would have been taken into care and I couldn’t think whether that would be more distressing for him.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 10/02/2020 01:30

No op it's never too late at night to call the police. You need to tell them what's going on and hopefully they will check up tonight. Also report to social services and the school first thing tomorrow.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 10/02/2020 01:30

You can remain anonymous.

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:31

@TenShortStories yes I think he’s probably alone with her. It’s 01:30 now so he would be asleep hopefully. That’s why I was thinking of telling school tomorrow.

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Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:34

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion but wouldn’t it be too late to do a welfare check? Hopefully they would be in bed now and the mother wouldn’t be expected to be looking after him.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 10/02/2020 01:47

No. If the police think a child is at risk, I'm sure they will check up no matter what time it is.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 10/02/2020 01:47

I'm sure social services do too.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/02/2020 02:15

I presume you know the boy and his mum’s names. They will be known by the police and social services. So yes, I’d be reporting the parents. Neither seem great. There is an out of hours social services emergency number - you can google the one for your local area. But this isn’t an emergency - or at least I hope not. This is just FYI for another time.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/02/2020 02:16

I meant to say, it would probably br easier to call the police for a welfare check.

MrPipsGran · 10/02/2020 02:23

Please contact the police now OP. If this Mum is out cold due to being drunk, she can't protect her child if there's an emergency, such as a fire. That little one needs your help. Please call.

Italiangreyhound · 10/02/2020 02:56

You are right to report this. Try not to worry about repercussions, you can just deny it was you. You do not owe the father or mother any kind of explanation.

Good luck.

Dyingdragon87 · 10/02/2020 03:26

Report

Stephminx · 10/02/2020 03:32

Report ASAP.

Out of interest, are you related to the dad ? I’m wondering why he said you’d be disloyal to report it (you’d never be btw if the child was at risk).

2tired2function · 10/02/2020 03:54

Report! Your only loyalty should be to the child who has no responsible adults looking out for him. Truly, there is nothing more important you can do. If you lose a friendship, even a family relationship with the father, you are protecting a child and helping him get a chance at a decent life. A chance he WILL NOT HAVE if you do not report this.

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 10/02/2020 04:32

Please please please just report. Go to the school and go to SS.

Neither of these people are suitable to parent, or capable of it. The father might have potential, with some intensive support and monitoring, but at the moment he is clueless and not much better than the mother. Even if he’s not as abusive, he’s still neglectful and deeply misguided.

Whatever the fallout will be for you, it will be worth it to know you’ve done absolutely the right thing. You’ve tried giving his parents the benefit of the doubt in the past and it hasn’t worked.

Please don’t waste another day.

blackcat86 · 10/02/2020 04:42

Unfortunately the best place for this child is in the care of vetted and trained foster carers. His mother is an alcoholic who chooses drink over her child, who is violent and who has her neglect covered by others. His father continues to socialise and drink with the violent alcoholic mother (what was dad thinking drinking with her), who lies to the police for her and who puts himself first (strops off about being attacked but happily let's mum take the child). Others watch on whilst this happens- I'm interested in your phrase that she 'wouldn't be expected to look after him' because he'll be asleep. That's not true because parenting doesn't stop at night. What if he's frightened or ill, woken by storm, or there's an emergency. You have called the police last night on 999 but didnt. Stop stalling and call the NSPCC. Its really sad to see all these adults putting themselves first at the expense of such a young boy. Who cares if dad is upset, he's just as bad.