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I need advice- child needs her

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Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 01:10

Apologies but I’ve name changed because I can’t risk this being linked with other posts. I’m not new. Been here for a year or two. I want to be able to be specific here because I’m in a dilemma and need advice so name change makes sense. This is going to be really long so thanks in advance for reading.

I am very worried about a child I know. He is 6 years old. He lives with his mother. He has been taken from his mother by the police twice in the recent past because she has been drunk with him and he has been in danger. Prior to this there were other referrals to social services to do with alcohol use and very low school attendance. The cases are then closed after a time. This last time the police found him alone and he was taken to live with his father. Social services were involved but didn’t take him into care because he had his father to look after him. His mother had been required to give up drinking and to attend AA meetings. After a couple of months he was returned to his mother and she said she had stopped drinking.

The child’s father had recounted numerous times that the child had witnessed his mother being violent and aggressive and to different people including the father. He described the little boy as being frightened and distressed. When mum was found intoxicated in the street with the child, the father was asked by the police about whether this had happened before. He lied and said it was the first time.

The child is underweight and has a health condition that does not seem to be dealt with responsibly.

Tonight I have been told that the mother has not stopped drinking and has attacked the father this evening after drinking all afternoon. Both parents were drinking with the child present. Mother was very drunk and attacked father and then took the child home on her own. The father is very upset about being attacked but doesn’t seem to be able to understand how awful this is for the helpless child.

I feel I must report her to social services because I am now aware of this. The father is very angry with me and does not want me to report it. He said he never wants to speak to me because of this attitude of mine! I have said it has to be reported and the little boy needs to be protected. The father doesn’t seem to have empathy. I’m very shaken by this argument with the father because I had no idea that the child was still suffering and also I’ve been called disloyal for suggesting that it must be reported.

I don’t know exactly where the child lives but this evening I’ve been walking about the streets close to where he lives in case he was wandering about in the storm. (He has wandered off previously).

I feel so sad for the child and guilty too. I have often offered to have him with us but this is turned down or ignored. I’m ashamed that I didn’t call the police and I feel complicit in the neglect for this.

I know In my heart that this child will be taken into care. I know that there are some carers who are not great. He probably should have been removed long ago. This is going to cause huge fallout with ramifications probably forever. But I can’t ignore this and I’m shocked that the father is doing nothing.

I’m repeating myself now. I have to report this don’t I? Would the School be a good starting place? Would they say who had reported? I really can’t sleep for worrying and I wish I could just go and get the child.

Any advice? Anyone had any similar experience?

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Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 07:45

You are all totally right and honestly word for word you are echoing what I have said and thought. And yes @Stephminx I am related to the father. Ashamed and shocked by him too. I had no idea of the full extent of his complicity until last night. I’m still reeling. Feel sick. I know that I will need to do something today. Shaking at the thought. I know I should have called the police last night and I’m ashamed.

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notapizzaeater · 10/02/2020 07:49

Yes you should have done, but that's gone now. Now you need to help make sure it doesn't happen again

DeadCucumber · 10/02/2020 07:52

If you're related to said child, you may be able to Foster him through kinship care.

AJPTaylor · 10/02/2020 08:19

Don't be ashamed. Feel anger at him, her, social services or whoever. If you can offer kinship fostering as pp. Be as involved and tenacious as you can to make sure this child is properly safe.

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 08:20

@DeadCucumber unfortunately I wouldn’t be allowed because I don’t have space and I would need to be able to provide a spare room. I would take him today if I could and I will certainly mention it.

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Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 08:21

@AJPTaylor thank you. I’m just ashamed and overwhelmed with this information. I honestly had no idea it was still going on. He is tiny. A tiny little person.

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Ponoka7 · 10/02/2020 08:25

" I don’t have space and I would need to be able to provide a spare room"

Not necessarily, but if you don't feel that you could, that's fine. The child needs stability and not for another placement to break down.

drspouse · 10/02/2020 08:34

If you are a relative they may well allow your child to share a room with a related child.

mumwon · 10/02/2020 08:48

simple rule - if a child is at risk, be it emotional, physical or neglect (& yes though I hate to say & think it - sexual) you need to report it - no ifs no buts - even if you are not certain as in the case of a neighbour reported elsewhere on here who hadn't seen another op. You can always say that you aren't certain but you have concerns because it maybe someone else has said the same thing & it builds up a record of events. better to over report than risk a child's life. &, if a child tells you something the ONLY time you should be obliged to pass information on is when they are at risk is for the same reasons.

happycamper11 · 10/02/2020 09:10

For future reference, the police will always do a welfare check following a call about a child regardless of the hour, day or night. It might have been useful for them to have documented him alone with her drunk. I'd contact SS immediately this morning. Do let them know you are prepared to take on the child as they are often keen to place with family/someone close rather than in to the care system. I've a friend at the moment who is basically just being assumed she'll take on her cousins child that she'd never even met as after an incident she allowed her auntie and the child to stay for a couple of days. She has no spare rooms

OnABeachSomewhere · 10/02/2020 09:20

He would have been taken into care and I couldn’t think whether that would be more distressing for him.

This decision would be made by the professionals, so the more information you give them, the more they'll have to go on when deciding what's best for this little boy. Please do report everything you know.

Ilovethewild · 10/02/2020 09:36

Op, call Social services tell them what u know. Offer to take child if you can (don’t worry about space at this time)
Welfare and care of child is immediate need/ if you can keep child safe, do that.
Good luck,

Namechangeth · 10/02/2020 16:30

Thank you everyone. Reassuring to get this advice.

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nowlook · 11/02/2020 14:54

Glad you've been reassured by the advice, OP. When did you report it?

nowlook · 11/02/2020 14:55

Ignore that- just seen your new thread Flowers

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 11/02/2020 14:58

I know that there are some carers who are not great.

They are much better at weeding out the crap ones nowadays, thankfully.

Everyone else has already given good advice. I just wanted to say thank you for caring and good luck.

SirVixofVixHall · 11/02/2020 15:11

OP have you posted before about this situation? Sounds horrendous. I assume the little boy is your nephew.
You have to call, both parents sound feckless. I hope he can live with you.

timeforawine · 11/02/2020 15:13

Be strong OP, this little boy needs you to be his voice, you can do it Flowers

Bringringbring · 11/02/2020 18:39

* He has been taken from his mother by the police twice in the recent past because she has been drunk with him and he has been in danger. Prior to this there were other referrals to social services to do with alcohol use and very low school attendance. The cases are then closed after a time. This last time the police found him alone and he was taken to live with his father. Social services were involved but didn’t take him into care because he had his father to look after him. His mother had been required to give up drinking and to attend AA meetings. After a couple of months he was returned to his mother and she said she had stopped drinking. *

The child’s father had recounted numerous times that the child had witnessed his mother being violent and aggressive and to different people including the father. He described the little boy as being frightened and distressed. When mum was found intoxicated in the street with the child, the father was asked by the police about whether this had happened before. He lied and said it was the first time.

+The child is underweight and has a health condition that does not seem to be dealt with responsibly. *

Tonight I have been told that the mother has not stopped drinking and has attacked the father this evening after drinking all afternoon. Both parents were drinking with the child present. Mother was very drunk and attacked father and then took the child home on her own. The father is very upset about being attacked but doesn’t seem to be able to understand how awful this is for the helpless child.

Op, I’m genuinely confused. You know a lot. A heck of a lot about this family. Detail that only those very close would know (and so much of it re SS confidential) but you don’t know where the live?

All the detail you include above - is this what you have heard from others?

Excited101 · 12/02/2020 07:57

At the end of the day, it’s your job to report any issues ASAP, it’s the professionals job to decide if/when/what involvement they need to have. By phoning them you’re not telling them to go rushing into a home and grab a child, you’re giving them information that they need to give your DN the chance at the very best start in life.

Namechangeth · 12/02/2020 08:21

@Bringringbring yes I know it’s confidential information. I feel bad about sharing. I couldn’t even read back what I wrote. It’s only through desperation that I posted for advice and support. No I don’t know where they live. But yes I do know the information. I have now admitted that he is my nephew. I’m at risk of making it really obvious to anyone who knows us but I really needed support and more disclosure seemed honest and useful. And if the family read this then all I can say is I’ve been hearing about awful things happening to their little boy for years and I cannot ignore it because I have a duty of care.

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