To not understand why this storm is being blamed on climate change

[Bringringbring]

If it was the worst on record, I’d get it.

But this country has suffered some appalling storms in the past

The snow storm of ‘47 when 10ft drifts developed
The ‘53 storm that claimed almost 400 lives
Feb ‘63 - 1 coldest ever recorded of -21
‘76 worst drought ever

Looking worldwide - the worst storm ever recorded was in.... 1900 (Galveston)

Had any of these events occurred today - climate change would be listed by many as their cause. However at the time - there wasn’t a whisper of it.

If storm records were being beaten, I’d “get it.
But there not. And I suppose that’s why I’m struggling to link climate change with storms.

Can anyone enlighten me? Genuine question

I have to show this video.

Evidence that 'global warming' is a myth because a Congressman brought a snowball to Congress. So it must be a lie.

@Crockof - yes, the ice fairs on the Thames were in the mini ice age in the 18th century. This dip in temperature led to crop failure around the world and huge amounts of starvation and death. During the period, the average world temperature was 0.5 degrees from the norm. The absolute minimum change we’re expecting now (and frankly this is very optimistic) is 1.5 degrees. This will have enormous impact on our to grow crops, the frequency of storms, sea levels, etc.

Blibby that chart is excellent.

22,000 years is just a blink geographically speaking, and it's certainly true that at more distant times in our planet's past it has been both way hotter and way colder than the bounds of this chart. However it's also true to say that during those periods, most of the planet wouldn't have supported the current ecosystem, which includes human life.

Lol then explain why humans were walking the Earth 3.5 million years ago?

Look it up. earliest human Australopithecus afarensis from 3.9 to 2.9 million years ago. First humans because they were first humanoids to walk upright.

Yep. 22,000 yrs is a blink geologically for humans too. And the planet was 2-3C warmer then than it is now back then. And not due to caveman Stone Age campfires because these humans didn’t even have fire.

In 2018, the Earth had similar concentration of CO2 as it did 3 million to 5 million years ago, when the temperature was 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer and and sea levels were at least 10 meters higher.

And 1.5C is supposed to be the eco apocalypse? When our ancestor hominids survIves twice that increase? With nothing but stone tools. Yeah, ok, sure I’ll hit that panic button.

In 2018, the Earth had similar concentration of CO2 as it did 3 million to 5 million years ago, when the temperature was 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer and and sea levels were at least 10 meters higher

When our ancestor hominids survIves twice that increase

I wonder how much they had to worry about feeding 7 billion people.
Crop failures and water supplies running dry causing mass migration of populations.
Tropical diseases in areas that aren't used to it
Rising sea levels affecting major cities

We will survive of course. But we need to think about these things

Lol
They had mass migrations. Do you not know that the entire Mediterranean Sea was once land? Full of cities and villages....
Meh to feeding 7 billion, we produce enough to feed 10 billion right now.

Lol then explain why humans were walking the Earth 3.5 million years ago?

You've misunderstood my post. I didn't say earth's climate has only supported humans for 22,000 years. I said if you look outside that period you will find a much wider temperature range, but during those more extreme periods the planet wouldn't support the same life it currently does.

What was the human population 3.5 million years ago?

They had mass migrations. Do you not know that the entire Mediterranean Sea was once land

Make your mind up...because I don't think you are suggesting that the Mediterranean sea was full of cities 22,000 years ago and before, are you?

And the sea was land about 6 million years ago before it filled up again..so I am not sure what your point is..

But in a world of 7 billion people, there will be much more mass migration compared to the migrations of 1000s of years ago.

And how quickly did the climate change?

70,000 BC

"Even earlier, genetic evidence suggests humans may have gone through a population bottleneck of between 1,000 and 10,000 people about 70,000 BC"

Climate is average weather, no one event can be linked to climate change, however the frequency of extreme weather events will increase as the climate warms. Think of it like a bell graph, average is in the middle and is what we expect most of the time, extreme events are on the edge and expected rarely. Currently that normal distribution curve is shifting, so those extreme events that were very rare are becoming more frequent.

Well iv lived on this planet for 62 years and today’s weather is called WINTER!

My point is that climate change is a constant. Sea becomes land and land becomes sea. Coasts erode and coasts expand. It has always been so and always will be. Humans impact on this this the same as spitting in a rain storm or a bucket of water to the ocean. Negligible.

If anything, we are merely delaying the next ice age by a few thousand years.

Are you fucking kidding me???

The hottest years on record have been clustered in the past 2 decades. The arctic ice is a shadow of its former self. Catastrophic floods have gone from once in a generation to every few years. Extreme weather events are no longer rare.

Climate change is real, it's here and it's going to change us all forever.

Blobby you included humans as not surviving that ecosystem which was not a factually correct statement.
Remember you said
“However it's also true to say that during those periods, most of the planet wouldn't have supported the current ecosystem, which includes human life.”

No, not true. They did survive and evolve.

All climate scientists agree that we experiencing climate change created by human activity. I love how so many people prepared to completely contradict science.

No
“The hottest years on record have been clustered in the past 2 decades”

Bullshit, talk to a geologist.

I agree so many people only want to look at a snap shot in time. A snap of the fingers of some 25k yrs and draw conclusions about the billions of years the planet has supported life. Idiots just cherry picking one frame of a 8hrs long movie and acting like that is all science can tell us.

Blobby you included humans as not surviving that ecosystem which was not a factually correct statement.

No, I said there were more extreme temperatures outside the 22,000 period and that humans wouldn't survive in them because the ecosystem we rely on would not be supported. I didn't say humans wouldn't survive in any period outside the 22,000 years. The planet has had much wider temperature ranges over its history than those in the period in which humans have existed.

Not heard that op

Not bullshit, climate stripes by Ed Hawkins show quite clearly.

No-one is suggesting that humans will instantly become extinct, they're suggesting mass migration will make life as we know it very different.

The hottest years on record have been clustered in the past 2 decades

The hottest years on record have been clustered - by which I guess she means the temperatures that have been recorded by people...

The average global temperature certainly is getting warmer.

More energy being pumped into the atmosphere.
Our oceans are heating up.
Polar ice is melting.
Glaciers are retreating.

“All climate scientists agree”
No they do not. Not all. And many do not agree with the claims that human impact on climate change is a crisis or emergency or an eco-apocalypse type of scenario.

What qualifications do you have to be so sure the IPCC and scientific consensus is wrong.