To not understand why this storm is being blamed on climate change

[Bringringbring]

If it was the worst on record, I’d get it.

But this country has suffered some appalling storms in the past

The snow storm of ‘47 when 10ft drifts developed
The ‘53 storm that claimed almost 400 lives
Feb ‘63 - 1 coldest ever recorded of -21
‘76 worst drought ever

Looking worldwide - the worst storm ever recorded was in.... 1900 (Galveston)

Had any of these events occurred today - climate change would be listed by many as their cause. However at the time - there wasn’t a whisper of it.

If storm records were being beaten, I’d “get it.
But there not. And I suppose that’s why I’m struggling to link climate change with storms.

Can anyone enlighten me? Genuine question

@HaudMaDug @newmetoday and anyone else who doesn’t believe it’s plausible:

Climate change impact on weather is currently being investigated and there are no firm conclusions specifically on general storms as yet afaik (I know hurricane intensity and frequency links have been proved but not your ‘average’ storm).

However, from just one article: [Scientists] are confident that rising sea levels are leading to higher storm surges and more floods. Around half of sea-level rise since 1900 comes from the expansion of warming oceans, triggered by human-caused global warming.

@Heymacarana

It’s obviously not possible to pinpoint exact storms as being the product of climate change - Here are some articles on increasing trends:

www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-hurricanes-tropical-storms-floods-global-warming-a9017021.html

www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/26/climate-change-responsible-super-charging-winter-storms

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07447-1

It's caused by wind farms.

Nuh-uh. According to my ex-MIL, it's all because of space rockets.

Yeah it's really annoying blaming climate change for stuff. I like just to cover my ears and go blah blah blah. That will sort it.

@RedRed9
Your blowing harder than wind to get this wound up.
Never said I didn't believe.

It’s nothing to do with climate change ffs. Sick of everything being blamed on it.

Not everything IS being blamed on climate change. I'm pretty sure it isn't being blamed for Donald Trump's hair, or the inexplicable popularity of Marmite.

Only climate change is blamed on climate change.

In this instance though, I agree with @LakieLady. I think we have farmed more wine than we need and it's built up to a crisis point. NOT very responsible farming at all. I blame climate change........

I like just to cover my ears and go blah blah blah. That will sort it

Does that work? We should think about putting earmuffs on the wind turbines then!

*wind not wine. You can never farm more wine than you need!

You can't compare the severity of storms based on how many people died, particularly not from 2020 and 1953 or 1900 - the warning systems, flood defences and our knowledge to mitigate effects is vastly different. Also, 1953 was a storm surge from the east, not a rain storm from the west. You've also chucked in a snowstorm and a drought in your examples - it's comparing apples and pears.

One of the effects of climate change for the UK is increasing severity and frequency of storms, due to higher temperatures over the Atlantic generating stronger weather systems. They are increasing. This is my field of work, so PPs can say "wah, we've always had storms", but they're wrong. Not as many that are as severe. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true.

Neat summary from the Met Office on climate change impacts on the UK: www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/effects-of-climate-change

Freak events aren’t a part of climate at all. It’s when freak events become normal events that we see that climate change has occurred. I really can’t comment on the frequency of the events but we haven’t actually had a storm in my area since I moved here (including today).

According to my face book four years ago my shed roof flew off and ended up by the shops so I'm not sure this is new

SirChing, is that you? (waves)

This storm is not a sign of cliate change. The very mils winter we have had however may be.

Climate change also isn't a recent phenomenon, only its recently in the press so those other storms may well have been impacted by the change in climate that had already happened at that time.

Not even slightly wound up @HaudMaDug but, sure, got off.

This storm is not a sign of cliate change. The very mils winter we have had however may be.

An entire winter of Mother In Laws? Arrgghhhhhhh!!!

We had an ice age that melted, periods of time with high Temps and acrid landscapes, times where there were frost fairs on the Thames. We often hear its the highest temp since 1945 etc which means it was at least as hot then. we've not had a repeat of the summer of 76. Yanbu

This happens literally every single winter, usually around the same time. Nothing to do with climate change, it’s perfectly normal to have a storm during winter.

What would you accept as evidence of climate change, OP?

we've not had a repeat of the summer of 76

Apart from 2018. I suspect it won't be another 42 years before the record is beaten again.

The wind farms thing reminded me of a video I saw recently where these blokes were chatting and one of them thought that wind turbines were to cool down the earth, like a fan! 😂

For those who think because the climate has changed in the past, climate change now isn't a problem, here's a nice clear chart showing the relative size and speed of climate changes since 20,000 bc

xkcd.com/1732/

Of course 22,000 years is just a blink geographically speaking, and it's certainly true that at more distant times in our planet's past it has been both way hotter and way colder than the bounds of this chart. However it's also true to say that during those periods, most of the planet wouldn't have supported the current ecosystem, which includes human life.

Climate change means more warm air. Warm air can hold more moisture. More moisture means more rain. (Wherever it ends up falling)
Climate change also means the weather patterns shift, jet stream may move more slowly which means weather ‘sits’ over a locality for longer, so storm events become more problematic.
Climate change also means warmer oceans, warmer oceans mean more storm events as storms feed off the heat in the top 50m of ocean. It’s really complicated but I’ve tried to simply a few points.

It has been statistically tested to show increasing number and intensity of storm events since the industrial revolution

@AdultHumanFemale yoohoo!