To wonder why murderers are released?

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I just don't get why any kind of murderer deserves to be freed. Just seen another case where a killer has been released days before the anniversary of the victim's death having refused to disclose the whereabouts of her remains.
Plus why has a terroist recently been released only to reoffend? Aibu to feel that if someone kills a life sentence is appropriate and should mean life.

You can't put a blanket rule on "murderers"......what about women who kill an abusive partner, what about someone really young who maybe has a fight that goes wrong or was acting in self defence, do they never deserve to be free ?.....every case has to be looked at differently.

@oulu - Love that - but then I loved John Mortimer

I think all people who have committed serious offences should be assessed for risk if re offending before they come out. For example john Worboys and other serial sexual offenders, serial predatory paedophiles, who have a sustained pattern of behaviour. If they are not considered safe, they should not be allowed out.

Are you willing to pay the £40,000 or so it costs per year to keep someone locked up for life?

@BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack
what about women who kill an abusive partner, what about someone really young who maybe has a fight that goes wrong or was acting in self defence, do they never deserve to be free
Whilst I agree with your point, those cases would more likely be manslaughter not murder.

yes let the state murder terrorists - you know like the Gilford 4 or the Birmingham 6

Prison - the loss of liberty - is the punishment

If you want rehabilitation you have to pay for it - prisons are easy to remove funding from because lots of people - as illustrated by posts here - just think the people in them are scum - but done properly it can work.

Also do you mean all murders - so the one who kills 4 women along side the one who helped their partner to die?

I think if parole boards start blanket refusing parole to a convicted murderer who doesn't reveal the location of a body it will lead to a terrible situation where the wrongly convicted are punished much much more severely than the guilty. Imagine being locked up forever because you don't know the location of a body, but the system insists you do.

what about someone really young who maybe has a fight that goes wrong

manslaughter, not murder

or was acting in self defence

(If proportionate), not even a crime.

@toothfairy73 They are (assessed for risk) - that is what happens now.

It depends on the murder it is not black or white.
My bigger issue is violent offenders out of bail before a trail. My uncle was battered to death by a violent thug on bail years ago. He wasn't the first nor the last to gave kide taking from a violent thug.
You should be able to sue the state in these incidents.

I think if parole boards start blanket refusing parole to a convicted murderer who doesn't reveal the location of a body it will lead to a terrible situation where the wrongly convicted are punished much much more severely than the guilty. Imagine being locked up forever because you don't know the location of a body, but the system insists you do.

The only thing worse would be to get out and be told you weren't innocent enough for compensation for the years or decades you spent banged up. With the added indignity of having to pay the Home Office back for you "board and lodging" while inside.

Which can (and has) happened in the UK ....

*have life

The justice system in this country is a joke.
When my dd was murdered, at the time I didn't care what happened to him. I believed prison was an easy option for him 3 meals a day, roof over his head and the joke of rehabilitation.
When he walked free on a NOT PROVEN verdict we were devastated. I had to watch him walking about free living his life.
If you take a life, you should have your own life taken.

I know of someone who stabbed his wife to death in a fit of rage because she was leaving him, whilst their 2 year old was in bed. He served 2 years and when he came out he applied and got to have full custody of the child who had been living with the maternal grandparents. Appalling.

Whilst I agree with your point, those cases would more likely be manslaughter not murder

no not always www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/10/women-kill-partners-men-emma-humphreys-abused

Remember that a lot of people aren’t in jail for murder but culpable homicide/manslaughter I.e. unlawful killing but without the same intent as murder. These people will serve shorter sentences (usually).
Most murders when released will be on licence so can be recalled to prison if they breach the terms of their licence.
Locking people up forever doesn’t stop murders from happening (look at America). We, as a society, agree that there has to be the chance of redemption. If someone is sent to jail at 20 with a 20 year sentence they will have lost the best part of their life. A 40 year old with the same sentence may well die in prison.
I don’t know how I would feel if my family member was the victim however.

Chris Atkins interviewed today on R5 is worth a listen - from 1:45

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000f0f8

Are you willing to pay the £40,000 or so it costs per year to keep someone locked up for life?

In the case of those imprisoned for terrorist offences, it's probably much cheaper and much safer to keep them locked up than spending hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money per year plus the waste of police numbers to covertly monitor each of them. A complete waste of money and resources imo.

what about women who kill an abusive partner....
Whilst I agree with your point, those cases would more likely be manslaughter not murder. One of the injustices of the justice system, now beginning to be addressed, is that a man is more likely to be convicted of manslaughter in the heat of the moment, whereas a women, because she doesn't have the physical strength, may use other means when driven to extremes, and it's thus argued there was premeditation and it is therefore murder.

I used to see reports of murder cases as part of my job, and it was heartbreaking to see how many murders were the result of the person involved simply not having the tools to cope with marital disagreements without violence.

Locking people up forever doesn’t stop murders from happening

Nor does executing them ...

For me it depends no the type of murder.

Some people get convicted of murder under 'joint enterprise' laws. Maybe they went along as part of a robbery team, knowing their accomplice was armed, then said accomplice kills someone... they themselves may be aghast, but they can still be convicted of murder. Freeing them on licence at some point I think is fair enough.

But I think releasing someone who has properly intentionally killed someone is just insane. I'd only ever agree that was a sensible thing to do if the parole board could make a scientific case that the prisoner's risk of reoffending was no higher than the population base rate. Which they can never do. Not even close.

@Hingeandbracket he can apply for parole after 8 years and apply every year (where he will be assessed) but he will automatically be released in 2030 (11 years) and spent the rest of the time on license where he can be recalled. My point is he SHOULD be risk assessed then. It's shouldn't be a given he gets out

We were told at university about a case where a man was verbally attacked based on his race, and so physically snapped and a fight ensued. The racial abuser ended up in hospital and died because he refused life saving treatment from a black doctor in duty in A&E. Guy gets done for murder. Should they be locked away forever?

I definately agree that parole should be denied if murderers withhold information etc, because it shows a lack of remorse for the crime, however, I think we need a system where release is on a case by case basis.

I’m with you OP

I’d also separate that from manslaughter, the op mentioning a fight gone wrong isn’t the same.

I find it really frustrating the system is geared to letting people out with any excuse. I presume this is all about cost.

Pp sorry, not op!