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Streatham: isnt it awful that this is the new norm?

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yolofish · 02/02/2020 17:32

Man with a knife stabs at least two people in a shop in Streatham, South London. Man shot dead by police.

Isnt it dreadful that this seems to be new norm - only 2 other people hurt, not much to see here, move along now?

Like the gun crime too - we just seem to accept it.

Makes me very sad.

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DecemberSnow · 02/02/2020 23:49

But we aren't talking about drugs, stabbings, worse behaviour

We are talking about A TERROR ATTACK !!!!

chesterpester · 02/02/2020 23:54

Obviously there are lots of stabbings related to gang crime that occur across London & wrongly we gloss over it, I've been at parties where people simultaneously say how bad crime is & take coke 🙄 However that's very different to being stabbed by a terrorist whilst shopping hence why it is headline news.

SW16 · 02/02/2020 23:58

We certainly never felt uneasy. We frequently got the night bus back from central London, never had a moment’s bother

Just like me, in 2020.

But yes, the stabbing today was not ‘knife crime’, it was a terrorist attack.

Terrorist attacks are Really not normal, and people here are not reacting as if it was normal.

Oulu · 03/02/2020 00:06

If this was the norm, the media wouldn't bother reporting it. Yet it's been headline news since it happened. So obviously not either the new or old norm.

kittykatkitty · 03/02/2020 00:07

People being released early from prison to go on and commit horrendous crime,seems to be the Norm these days

Oulu · 03/02/2020 00:08

Have a look at the history of the Krays and the Richardson brothers and tell us how that was better than what goes on today.

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 00:15

@SquirmOfEels and @Ponoka7 maybe it will become a pattern, difficult to say.

Certainly the IRA in the 90s targeted less central areas. Previously it had all been Hyde Park, Harrods etc but then it got more difficult for them to do as many centrally when we started tightening up so they moved outwards. I remember there being bombs in places like Wood Green, Stoke Newington, Edgeware even, really a lot of North London, as well as the more central ones. Always densely populated though, like Streatham is, bastards that they were. Maybe that's what terrorists are going to start to do now. Or maybe not. I don't think there's been enough events to spot a pattern really - it was happening a couple of times a month throughout the early 90s so it was more noticeable.

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 00:21

every couple of months

Don't know why I mixed my words up there.

chesterpester · 03/02/2020 00:33

@OldHarrysGameboy that makes more sense now. i was very confused!

chesterpester · 03/02/2020 00:36

I remember the Brixton bomb too. It's a comfort at least that the police locked it down in minutes, they must have been following him. Maybe that's why he did it there & then.

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 00:38

Hahaha yes it was bad but not that bad. Freudian slip I think as it felt far more frequent at the time.

Drabarni · 03/02/2020 00:43

Have they said why they think it's terror related?
Absolutely terrible, too much knife and gun crime. Cardiff have stop and search after two stabbings in one night.

salsmum · 03/02/2020 00:47

It was saying on the online news that he had canisters on him so suspected terrorist attack AngryShock

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 00:48

Yeah he had a bomb strapped to him didn't he and had previously been jailed for terrorist offences so I think that's why they're saying that.

chesterpester · 03/02/2020 00:48

He had what looked like a suicide vest strapped to him.

chesterpester · 03/02/2020 00:50

It was a fake bomb

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 00:54

Oh ok. What a stupid twat.

Definitely excellent job by the police. They are good at that sort of thing really.

chesterpester · 03/02/2020 00:59

On the one hand it's great that the police were on to him (pretty sure he was shot by plain clothes) but defo a question as to why it was out in the first place.

OldHarrysGameboy · 03/02/2020 01:07

I'm sure de Pfeffel will be on the case. 🙄

Thingstodotoday · 03/02/2020 01:08

And yet property prices are still through the roof and everyone wants to live in London. We don’t get this out in the shires

Yes...it’s crazy isn’t isn’t it?? It’s almost as though London is an amazing global city with a wealth of attractions, drawing people from all over the world.

If course you don’t get this out in out in the shires. You don’t get much of anything! I lived in “the shires” for years and I know which I prefer.

AutumnRose1 · 03/02/2020 01:11

I can’t wait to leave
Whatever the reason, this shot is constant

With the vest, presumably the police have to get a clear shot at the head? Well done to them.

AutumnRose1 · 03/02/2020 01:11

*this shit

EdithWeston · 03/02/2020 07:03

"defo a question as to why it was out in the first place"

Because unless the government changes the rules, early release from prison is automatic.

I'd like to see a wholesale change, with the amount of time you are sentenced to being the amount of time you serve. That might mean comletely different sentences being handed down by the courts, including requirement for a period is post-custodial supervision/suspended sentence but at least then it would be considerably clearer all round.

SW16 · 03/02/2020 07:12

With ideologically driven terrorists and psychopaths (for example) though a fixed amount of time in prison as a punishment isn’t going to indicate whether or not they are fit to be let out or not.

This man would probably have been just as likely to commit an attack after the full 3 year sentence.

The question should be “is this person a danger to the public?” rather than “have they served their full sentence?”

EdithWeston · 03/02/2020 07:27

We don't really have any provision to lock people up because they might commit a crime/further crimes in the future.

(Not referring to those who are sectioned, which is totally separate for those who are so unwell they lack capacity)

Prisons seem to be places in which radicalisation is furthered, not where it is countered. That needs to change.