To not really understand how leaving the EU will directly impact us

[DoreenSamuel]

Just reading the brexit threads. I voted remain as I didn’t really understand the benefits to leaving.

Now it’s actually happening I’m a bit confused. I mean I understand how not being in the EU directly effects businesses trading with EU countries and ultimately job losses which of course is significant.

I’m not clear about how this effects things like our children’s future, homelessness, education and the NHS? I hear people are concerned but I don’t understand the direct connection?

Put your tin hat on, I guarantee this thread will descend into insanity very quickly

Well, there's nothing like living in it and seeing how it all works. Not long to go now.

Nobody can say for sure coz we won't know until 1 Jan 2021.. maybe not even then.

Nobody knows - that's the thing. We have no power to do anything about it so we will just have to wait and see...

The main problem is that nobody, including the Government knows. We are completely blind to what the actual effects and implications will be, positive and negative.

Possible/likely negatives

• increased food prices
• increased fuel prices
• increased immigration from outside the EU, in part due to trade deals necessitating giving other countries guaranteed numbers of visas
• more difficult to navigate around the EU, difficulties for all the ex-pats living in Spain/France as they may no longer have the right to live there
• increased import prices and times - congestion at ports.

The list goes on, but it's all maybe's and 3 years after the referendum, we really should have more than a bunch of maybes and a lot of nothing.

I am and will always be a remainder. The flame of hope, is now a teeny flicker but I still hold on for this whole thing to somehow fall apart and be cancelled.

If only there was a BREXIT topic.

Ok thanks, I thought it was the sort of thing where no-one really knows how things will pan out but some people seem to be convinced it’s all doom and gloom and that’s what I didn’t really understand.

Thank you, I’ll go back to not worrying about it then.

Ok thanks, I thought it was the sort of thing where no-one really knows how things will pan out but some people seem to be convinced it’s all doom and gloom and that’s what I didn’t really understand.

Well we can have a pretty good idea. It will become much harder to trade with our main trading partner, for instance. So a lot of people think that will make it harder for businesses. There are plenty more examples.
Nobody has been able to come up with any reasons why it will be good.
HTH

some people seem to be convinced it’s all doom and gloom and that’s what I didn’t really understand

A lot of the urgent doom and gloom was around the possibility of leaving at short notice without any kind of implementation period; leading to food and medicine shortages, amongst other things.

The only good thing about the incometence and delay is it gave chance to forumulate plans so if we don't have a deal in a year it won't be as drastic.

A lot of the (likely) long term downsides are not immediately palpable: a reduction in Science output, a modest overal ecconomic slowdown for a number of years, slow erosion of food standards and employment rights etc.

Food prices and fuel will very likely increase. This will affect millons of people - especally those who barely can afford food as it is! I personally hate the vehement remain campaign who drive me nuts (I voted remain) but there are clearly things that will have a negative impact quite soon.

Nobody has been able to come up with any reasons why it will be good.

Even with the ecconomic slowdown, there is a fair chance it may slightly raise wages for low earners in some sectors- but only if less skilled immigration is substantially cut.

Oh, and blue passport covers- yay.

they paved paradise and put up a parking lot

We don't know what the eventual deal will look like, but in practical terms the loss of freedom of movement means you and your kids lose the right to travel freely in Europe (you will be limited to 90 days in any 180 day period) and to work in European countries. You will still be able to apply to work in the EU but you'll likely need a job offer, immigration papers and a work permit before you can go.

Unless you have a handy Irish grandparent, in which case you may apply to join the group of British citizens who keep their FOM.

My best guess (often wrong) is that fuel prices will rise regardless, but food will stay same price, in real terms, in near term. UK farmers will shift to producing environmental goods instead of food. UK grown Food won't be able to compete with imported food prices. Followed by rapid sale of lots of former agricultural land for building on, in 25 yrs or so. Singapore on Thames here we come.

The one good thing about Brexit is that it will be harder for people to travel with their pets. (Speaking as an allergic person who doesn't like dogs).

Simple things

An end to free mobile phone roaming within EU
Pet Passport scheme ending
End of European Health Insurance Cards

Listening “ they paved paradise and put up a parking lot”

Yes, but that was years ago and the EU, or not the EU, has nothing to do with that?

Sorry if this sounds a bit dull but why would food prices generally go up? Surely just food from EU would be more expensive- and isn’t this better for British farmers?

Also don’t get the fuel thing - I thought our main fuel reserves came from the middle/ Far East which obviously is not in the EU anyway

It was a metaphor autumnrose

there have been so many threads on mn over time full of doom and gloom but we just don't know how it will affect us.
food prices will go up at some point because companies can only under cut each other to a degree,
people who hurls insults about other on the subject can fuck right off imo.

@DoreenSamuel you guys import 30 percent of your food from the EU. After leaving the EU your tariff regulation reverts back to the World Trade Organization. Meaning food imported from the EU will have duties of 22%. So higher food costs with stagnant wages equals disaster It also means lots of issues getting food from your ports to your grocery store. Meaning shorter shelf life of your food. Also, believe it or not the US is your main supplier of fuel

Oh that’s interesting Leann thank you for explaining- had no idea US supplied our fuel, so are prices likely to change as US is not in the EU?

Super if you’re speaking for Listening, it’s a metaphor that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

And the chaos....name calling and insults will start in 3....2.......1😂

believe it or not the US is your main supplier of fuel

Not true - unless this is a typo and you mean the EU - but then that is also not true.

Gas comes from the UK's own production, from Norway and Russia (neither are in the EU) and from the EU.

Oil comes mainly from the UK's own North Sea production, from Norway, Algeria and Nigeria and other OPEC countries.

65% of coal comes from Russia and Colombia.

Electricity is generated locally - either by burning fossil fuels and waste materials, from nuclear generators, or from water, wind and solar sources.