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AIBU?

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Aibu to think my mums advice doesn't make any sense?

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Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 17:43

Long time lurker but first time posting. I can't get my head around my mums views and advice regarding what I should strive for in life and want to know if IABU.
Sorry its a bit long but don't want to drip feed. I am currently renting with my dh and two children (South East) . I work part time but am also completing a degree. Dh also works.

A bit of a background. Grew up in single parent household, just me, mum and sibling. Lived in council house which my mum still does. Absolutely nothing wrong with this whatsoever and have never suggested otherwise. Always seen it as a house is a house and was always homely and enjoyable place to be. I saw how much my mum struggled financially, we often went without though overall had a very happy childhood (spent a lot of time with gp whilst mum worked) and learnt the value of things.

I've chosen to start my degree after having my children as always had a passion for the subject and want to be able to provide without worrying if something was to stop working, not worry about food and bills and have an occasional holiday etc. Degree will lead to a career that though will not be a very highly paid it is still something I'm passionate about and money wise I would be very comfortable compared to what I grew up with/what I'm used too (healthcare related. Not high for what the job includes but still comfortable, IYSWIM)

The other day we were discussing the future and I mentioned saving for a mortgage after degree is finished as we have had bad luck landlord wise previously and want somewhere more secure. My mum said to forget that and to aim for a council house. I explained that my earning would be too high to see a need for it in their eyes. She then replied with 'not if you don't work it wont' I said I wasn't working hard through this degree, giving up time with my young children to then not put it to use, she started challenging me asking why I can't not work until I get one (this could take years and not something I'm willing to do. I would love to be offered a position and use my qualification straight away and start earning as student loans aren't exactly generous though that's a different topic altogether. Also not working for a prolonged period would cause me to loose my registration) Even if I did give up work my dh earns enough to afford private rent (on around 23k at entry level so not high but is due promotion shortly so it is enough to push us over the threshold for any UC and council house need) Also to stop earnings means to not be able to afford our rented house, being evicted and then not even being offered a property due to making ourselves intentionally homeless. It makes no sense to me.

My sibling has a council house after years waiting and living with other family members in one room with a self employed oh and children, she works part time around the childrens needs (again, nothing wrong with this it works for them) Maybe I'm the odd one out? My mum seems to think this is the life I should aim for and I'm a snob to think otherwise. I don't want to come across as a snob I have no problem with council housing but I feel they should be for those who really need it and we don't. I would like to help provide for my children and make sure I could do so alone should anything happen (not assuming it will but I saw how hard it was for my mum when my dad left and so promised myself I would always make sure me and my children were okay as you just never know) I have several disabilities which require surgeries and strong medication and I've been told by her in the past to give up work and claim for these disabilities and of course this would make the council house application easier but this isn't what I want. I want to follow my passion, to work while I can and to provide for my children without worrying about making ends meet.

My mum always worked whilst we grew up but was lucky not to have childcare costs as our gp were retired and we spent most of our time with them. I always respected my mum for providing for us and working (though I can see how it's not manageable for many and would never judge anyone for needing to not work) which is why I guess I can't understand her thought process. Everytime we discuss this she gets angry and declares I'm a snob thinking I'm above her which isn't the case. I just want to know whether IABU to politely ignore her advice and carry on with my degree and hope it doesn't impact our relationship too much and that she can see I'm not doing this to try and be 'better' than anyone. Thanks for reading if you got all the way through. I'm just tired of the same argument and it's impacting our relationship.

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NoMorePoliticsPlease · 29/01/2020 17:46

It is much more difficult to get a council house these days. If you can save up enough to get a deposit and a mortgage that is the way to go

SunOnAll · 29/01/2020 17:48

Just nod in the right places and keep doing what you want to do, it doesn't need to impact your relationship.

Don't bring it up yourself, and keep changing the subject if she her opinion it up: "Yes mum I know how you feel. So onto something else, I was thinking about X..."

Just install boundaries about what you're willing to discuss with her.

SunOnAll · 29/01/2020 17:49

*if she brings her opinion up.

Brokenlightfitting · 29/01/2020 17:49

How realistic is a mortgage? For example my DD is a graduate on £30,000 but the cheapest house in our area is £259,00 and So out of reach.

How realistic is shared ownership? In our case there are some at £159,000 and so within reach with a deposit

(Meanwhile they live with me)

Echobelly · 29/01/2020 17:50

I'd just tell her it's much harder to get a council house these days, so it's not a realistic things to aim for. Plus I'm not sure assured lifetime tenancies are a thing anymore.

Brokenlightfitting · 29/01/2020 17:51

Plus she could get immediate social housing where she works (not where we live) - her colleague with children moved in within 3 weeks is applying.

CSIblonde · 29/01/2020 17:56

You don't have to live, or repeat, her life. It's odd she doesn't understand your reasons, given you say it was a struggle for her & you went without. I'm wondering if it's a touch of jealousy tbh as most mothers I know are happy their children are doing well & achieving their goals. My DM was openly jealous when I got my first car on HP, despite having a nearly new one herself, it was really odd. (and a repeat of her DM being openly jealous of her ring when she got engaged). Just smile, repeat your reasons & do what's best for you. It's her issue, not yours.

Nothing2doooooo · 29/01/2020 17:57

So your mum basically wants you to cheat the system? Hmm makes me wonder...Hmm

Anyway YANBU at all for wanting a different lifestyle. Being a snob or not has nothing to do with it. Possibly stop discussing it with her...may be a touchy subject and she sees it as a failure on her part or something.

TopOftheNaughtyList · 29/01/2020 17:59

You'd be setting your children a much better example if you instil a good work ethic in them. You're right that council housing should be set aside for those really in need, as there just isn't as much of it nowadays to go around. Am I right in thinking you have to accept what you're given too, rather than have a choice? I'd much rather rent privately if I could afford it and live where I want in the type of property I want. Maybe your DM harbours a little bit of jealousy that you're doing well and have these things in your reach?

Reginabambina · 29/01/2020 18:02

Your not the snob here.

BlueJava · 29/01/2020 18:02

I'd nod along to what she says and then do exactly what you want. Just don't talk to her about your plans. Perhaps she takes them as criticism, although you don't mean it that way.

Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 18:06

I agree. We are happy to rent currently. Post degree childcare will dissappear due to youngest starting school. Our household income will be approx £65000 to start. Due to low outgoings (living within our means from when things were tighter) we are currently able to save around 500 per month with low student finance and a £600 per month childcare fee which will be gone when I qualify so I believe a deposit is realistic between me and my husband. Though I'm happy to rent if need be and we will possibly be moving further up north as house prices here are ridiculous compared to other places. Thank you for all the advice ilI just try to nod along and change the subject though when I've tried to do so before she won't drop it until I discuss it but you've all given me good ideas to lead with next time it crops up. I love my mum and appreciate her opinion but as mentioned it's much harder to get council houses these days and I think it's been spurred by the fact my sibling has just been offered one so hopefully it will settle soon. Glad I'm not missing something and am right to not take her advice here.

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BedStuy · 29/01/2020 18:07

Money gives you choices. Nothing wrong with that.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 29/01/2020 18:19

Whatever your lifestyle choice....it shows her insecurity that she thinks that anything you choose is some kind of judgement of her. If I choose a blue jumper I'm not judging people for having red jumpers, infant I dont give a shit what jumper they wear. You are doing what makes you happy, that is no reflection on what you think about her lifestyle and in any case it was a different time, she was a single parent, the household income would have been much lower, there would have been different criteria for getting a council house etc etc. Its unfair that she is accusing you of judging her when you are doing what makes you happy and not commenting on her choices or circumstances at all. I'd say that, and that you enjoy your chosen study/ career path, and then see if she will agree to disagree. I think you'll just have to leave / put the phone down if she continues to argue. I think it's more about guilt she feels about working when you were little or how she thinks other people perceive her rather than anything you've done.

Phineyj · 29/01/2020 18:25

Just keep repeating to yourself 'this is about her. It is not to do with me'. It's up to you and your partner what you do financially and work-wise. It's got nothing to do with her, other than if you build up some assets you could maybe help her in later life.

Oldraver · 29/01/2020 18:31

If not working is so brilliant in her eyes, why did she not do that then ?

Elliesmommy · 29/01/2020 18:34

Hardly the dream - living in a council house. Some people have no choice.

DPotter · 29/01/2020 18:37

If your DM is still in the same council house you grew up in, you could ask her why she doesn't downsize, so the house could be given to a family. That might shut her up.
I take my hat off to you studying for a degree whilst bringing up a family and I hope you enjoy your new career

Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 18:57

Thank you all for replying and your advice. Regarding jealousy and about her and not me I think you're right it's little things. When I got in to uni she straight away said 'well if you struggle too much financially and your children suffer don't just sacrafice their happiness because you want to do it because I know you would as I know what you're like' that really hurt I would never do that I'm trying to give them a better life.. Then in the next breath she will say I'm a great mum so I guess it's her projecting her own guilt perhaps as previously mentioned. I also see it as an opportunity to make sure she is okay, I always have helped out where I can with her and my sibling and visa versa. I will avoid all conversations around it. The degree is hard and I wish she was more supportive about it she seems to be happy when I'm struggling with it and it's tiring I just wish she could be happy that I want to do this and not see it as a put down on her which it isn't but I can't just struggle through life so she feels better.

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Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 19:06

Good point about why didn't she not work then. She mentioned how back then there wasn't the help there is now tav credit wise etc and it was because she HAD to. I appreciate it would have been very hard for her missing so much time with us and always struggling. She still struggles now money wise as anytime she has any she fritters it away, that's her choice she can spend money on what she chooses but will point out how she has something better. It's like a competition of sorts though I'm not playing. Perhaps it's her wanting to feel like the mum, the needed one that I rely on. I'm the youngest so perhaps that is an issue. Along with my disabilities she perhaps feels I should be relying on her help more. Its tricky but you've all given me some good responses that may help her see it from a different point of view.

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Urkiddingright · 29/01/2020 19:16

I think your Mum is bitter and jealous. She had quite a tough life by the sounds of things as a working single parent and probably feels hard done by. Truth is, absolutely anyone can study and do better for themselves if they really try. She should be proud of you but I think her bitterness is shining through instead...

Tell her it’s never too late to follow your dreams. Maybe there’s something she’s always wanted to do but feels too old for? My oldest student was 66!

GEEpEe · 29/01/2020 19:20

One thing my wife and I did underestimate when we went from renting to buying was the price of upkeep. We were after character but didn't account for the cost of the downsides of somewhere with high ceilings and quirky features. We had to borrow a bit more money to sort some unforeseen issues about a year after buying.

NurseButtercup · 29/01/2020 19:21

YANBU stick to the plans you've made with your DH for the future of your family. Probably a good idea not to discuss your plans & goals with your DM.

Congratulations on completing your degree Flowers

Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 19:47

@GEEpEe I agree house price wise as far as upkeep in concerned its something we will carefully think about. It happened to some friends of ours. Used an inheritance for a deposit but both have minimum wage jobs and one is part time (2 dc also) and the house has issues they can afford to fix. As a good investment as they can be they can also cause a lot of problems so we will definitely not enter into it lightly. Like I mentioned we are happy renting just may look for somewhere with a driveway as my disabilities mean I have issues walking and multiple surgeries on my lower body so that would be nice to be able to afford that. Due to having issues in the past with landlords messing us around it's more to do with security for the children though we do seem to have that now in the house but things could change out of our control and that worries me but we certainly would make sure a mortgage and upkeep is sustainable before entering into it

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Ineedanap90 · 29/01/2020 19:51

*can't afford to fix

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