To think that anyone can get in university nowadays?

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I know a woman who's studying to be a social worker and while I don't think for one minute she's stupid I certainly wouldn't put her down as uni material.

For example, she was a strong supporter of Alfie Evans parents and was outraged when they turned his life support machine off.

Do they just let anyone in certain universities now or am I underestimating her?

The only way universities are currently making money is via international students.
Home grown undergraduates aren't particularly lucrative

Nope, I don't agree. There are so many different courses which can't be compared. I can't believe you'd make such a generalization. People go to uni for different reasons.

Somebody might not be the type you'd expect to go to Oxbridge to read classics, but could instead be suited to another course such a social work or nursing (which I'd argue is more important...) People have different skill sets and if uni's aren't accommodating that then who is?

Troll.

Social work is not one of those courses that anyone can get on. You need English and Maths GCSE, relevant work experience and to pass an interview. Doing the foundation year doesn't guarantee you a place.

I do think you are being a bit unfair. The point of going to university is to learn. You don’t go in knowing it all.

As a uni student, I agree with you OP

@MilkTrayLimeBarrel

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I wonder if this woman you know describes you as a judgmental cow OP?

And what the hell has Alfie Evans got to do with it? That case didn't really have anything to do with social services and was more based on the debate of whether the choice of staying on life support should lie with the parents or medical professionals. I wouldn't base somebody's ability to be a social worker on their opinion of that. If Alfie had been on the child protection register or in care your point may make sense.

@orangejuicer I am not a troll. It's a question I've been pondering for ages (I need to get put more)

I've read all the different views and while I'm still not convinced the lady is uni material, I guess time will tell.

I hope to update In a few years saying she is a fully qualified social worker and also say, as a previous poster called me, I'm a twat

I think Social Work actually should be harder to get in and some form of common sense should be a requisite as well as having some sort of memory of what you have written when reading through a report you intend to use at a later date.

Unfortunately my friend was reported to SS by her exh because he wanted to get out of paying child support

What ever friend said was written in the report as being completely made up and that there was no evidence of anything she said... yet on the following pages they said the complete opposite and backed it up with evidence.

Reading it made me think of an immature teen making things up as they go along to suit what they were thinking in the moment and not remembering what they had actually written.

I have read other reports written by SS in the same vein

If these people have a degree then all I can say is a degree in Social Work isn’t worth the paper it is written on.

Maybe if you pass then you fail and those that fail should pass. It can’t make things worse.

I was at university in the 80s and my children are university now and it is just as difficult to get on a degree course at the universities that have always been universities. Although it is easier to get into some universities it's probably not any easier than it was when they were colleges of higher education.

Who is Alfie Evans?

To cut a long story short, he was a very, very ill baby, and the children's hospital said that they couldn't do anything more and it was time for palliative care only. His parents disagreed and wanted to take him abroad to try an experimental treatment. However, the staff treating him said the treatment wouldn't work and that transporting him abroad and putting him through the treatment would cause him more suffering for nothing. The relationship between the parents and the hospital broke down and it had to go to the courts, who had to listen to the evidence submitted by everyone involved and determine what was in his best interests.

Along the way, the case hit social media, and loads of people changed their profile pictures on fb to show solidarity with the parents, bombarded them with messages about cannabis oil, and demonstrated outside the hospital.

It was a horrible case.

There was no "treatment" as in cure. I think that was massive mistake and it should have simply be called "care". The hospital in Italy agreed that nothing can be done.
The difference was that they would keep him on machines. Which imho is just cruel to everyone at that stage.

It turned it the least dignified media circus with morons and I am not ashamed to call anyone who does this a moron putting up a fucking unbelievable bouncy castle... In front of children's hospital... Shout and try to storm CHILDREN'S hospital.
Reports from other parents whose children were treated there weren't particularly flattering too.

Hang on, I think I'm thinking of another case with the experimental treatment. The UK hospital staff wanted to remove life support, so Alfie's parents wanted to take him elsewhere, to an Italian hospital, which had offered their support. However, UK staff thought that the plane journey and transport would cause excessive suffering.

Cross-post!

I'm never going to forget how members of the FB group suggested setting off the fire alarms in a children's hospital, in order to force evacuation of all the children, so that the parents could swoop in and grab Alfie.

Other parents whose children were due to be operated on were terrified that this insane plan would go ahead and jeopardise their jids' treatment.

No one talking about Russell groups and unconditional offers?

My two dds got 2 from those.

"No one talking about Russell groups and unconditional offers?"

Not many give them unless the applicant has already received their examination grades.

Yes and my friend was in full support of those morons people. Then again maybe uni will give her a new perspective because noone on Facebook could convince her.

There are loads.

Competition is huge.

2018 figures

@JamieVardysHavingAParty yeah. They offered it until their doctor got to see Alfie's file...
It was very sad case and I really think proper punishments should have been handed out to the morons and to the horrible people who latched onto the parents.
Though the father wasn't particularly saint too with the media stuff...

The hospital withdrew the offer? I didn't remember that. Bloody hell, what a clusterfuck and how irresponsible of them to offer in the first place before they'd got full information.

phonelock unconditional offers are a huge issue in the sector and have been for years.
Some universities are using them in an incredibly unethical way to almost bribe students to choose them.

Anyway people doing a degree will be critical thinking and reasoning skills so hopefully your friend will benefit and grow.

@JamieVardysHavingAParty absolutely. And the show about Italian citizenship. It was just... Ugh.
Well they now have a baby so I hope it's better for them

phonelock unconditional offers are a huge issue in the sector and have been for years.

The RG share of the sector?