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AIBU - friendship circle issues

62 replies

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 22:18

Hi all, I've wanted to ask advice on here for a while now and tonight it has come to a bit of a situation that I don't quite know how to deal with.

Sorry if it gets long. I will keep it as simple as possible. I know I'm opening myself up for some harsh criticism but please be kind - I don't make friends very easily and navigating friendships can be a challenge for me.

I am one of a group of what was to begin with 6 friends, all mums (ages between 30-40) and originally connected through school. We used to frequently (several times a week) get together, with or without kids,. It could be just a few of us on some occasions, more on others. The school our children all attended when we met was very small, and we would go out at xmas and invite all the other mums - some would come and some wouldn't but it was always fun and happy and surprisingly little conflict.

About 18 months ago a new mum, Jenny moved into the area. At first she socialised with lots of different groups of mums and after a bit of drama we had a bit of an issue. My best friend Claire, suffers quite badly from anxiety and had been friendly with another mum, called Jane from outside our immediate friendship circle. Jenny was also friends with Jane. Not really relevant why but Jane caused a lot of trouble between Jenny and Claire which ended up with Jenny treating Claire and her children really poorly. Claire's reaction was to completely distance herself from Jenny.

Then, after falling out with Jane herself, Jenny started to socialise with one or two of the members of our friendship circle. She works part time and offers a service that a couple of our friends use so she became very close to these friends in particular.

As time went on I noticed that meet ups were happening less and less often, or were being arranged at very short notice, which meant that Claire, due to her bad anxiety, couldn't attend. She started to take this personally and felt that she was being excluded from the friendship circle in favour of Jenny. It has now been 9 months since the whole group socialised, with the exception of the xmas night out, which was quite frankly, uncomfortable and awkward. Jenny and the mums she's particularly friended, completely ignored the rest of the table and it was like there were two separate groups out at the same time. They only made an effort to speak to the people at our end if we were at the bar at the same time. After this Claire made the decision that the friendship group, when Jenny was out with us, was making her anxiety much worse (to the point that she had to restart her medication, which she had not needed for several months). Claire decided that she would no longer socialise with Jenny and would only go out with smaller groups of us from the bigger circle.

Which brings us to tonight. I have been given some (quite a lot) vouchers for spa weekend that a relative was given for xmas and won't use that have to be used by the end of February, I invited Claire (obviously) and two of the other in the group who I have know for years and years (we were the original three mums that met first). We were finalising plans when Laura, one of these sent me a PM asking me if she could add Jenny and the other mums from the group to come with us as she'd told them about it and they were all keen, to go and were hurt that I hadn't asked them in the first place.

Laura has lots of different friendship groups that she never mixes, but tends to take over and control and events that are going on. She is the closest one of us to Jenny. It is Laura that has regularly arranged meet ups that include Jenny but exclude Claire, and lately, me by extension because of my friendship with Claire.

Claire has said to agree and she will make an excuse and not come. I don't want to go without her - I'd rather not have invited anyone else but I didn't realise it was ok for Laura and Jenny to have events and lunches etc without including the rest of us, but that I have to include everyone!

Its all so blooming childish - we are all grown women and yet its like being back at School. I understand why Claire feels the way she does but she doesn't want me to tell Laura the truth about why I don't want to include Jenny and the others so its me that everyone is going to be angry with!

I do hate the idea of leaving anyone out, and would NEVER had left just Jenny out but now I am being made to feel that I can never arrange to do anything with any of the mums from the original friendship circle without including EVERYONE!

I just don't know what to do. If I say no, I will basically be alienating myself from all my friends, but If I say yes my best friend with self-exclude herself, and be devastated that I didn't stick up for her.

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MiniCooperLover · 27/01/2020 22:21

Be honest and say that Claire's anxiety has left her wanting to only spend time in small groups and hopefully they can respect that. I'd have to find some way of pointing out they do plenty without you both too though ..

AnnaNotElsa · 27/01/2020 22:31

“Hi Laura. Ordinarily I’d love to get together with everyone but I hope you understand that this time I’ve purposefully tried to keep the group small. Claire’s been struggling to join in with bigger get togethers recently and I know she’d appreciate it if we could keep it just us. Definitely up for a bigger spa day get together later in the year!”

madeyemoodysmum · 27/01/2020 22:37

Sounds like this Jenny is really a Wendy

Stick with the smaller group and sod the rest. They haven't been true friends so far

Dylaninthemovies1 · 27/01/2020 22:41

What anna says is perfect!

Bobleywobley · 27/01/2020 22:43

This is why I only have one good friend. Negotiating female social circles is my worst nightmare!!

alifelived · 27/01/2020 22:43

@AnnaNotElsa that is a perfect response

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 22:43

Thank you ladies - and Anna I think you’ve found the words I need x

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IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 22:44

@Bobleywobley this is exactly why I’ve always struggled with friendships. I thought I’d finally found my tribe :(

Oh well. If they can’t accept this then they really aren’t the friends they once were.

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WombatStewForTea · 27/01/2020 22:47

By any chance is everyone else going to benefit from these spa vouchers Hmm

ittakes2 · 27/01/2020 22:54

But you are treating a few! Just tell you are using some vouchers to treat some close friends who you want a proper catch up. That you assumed since she organises smaller group outings like x for example she wouldn’t mind. But sorry if anyone is offended - you would love to do a bigger group spa day later this year.

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 22:54

@wombat - yes they would have - well the original ones of invited anyway! I was offsetting the full cost of the spa day for everyone.

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WombatStewForTea · 27/01/2020 22:59

@IndigoHexagon thought as much! Cheeky fuckers! I'd use that as your get out: you've already planned to use the vouchers to cover the cost for x, y and z but maybe you could all book another spa day later in the year. Or if everyone else wants to pay for themselves then they can I bet they won't

MummyFriend · 27/01/2020 23:03

Don't blame it on Claire, that's such a cop out. The issue is Jenny and the other shitty friends. I'd just get rid of them tbh. You don't owe Laura an explanation at all! If you must just tell her you guys wanted a quiet, drama-free weekend or that you don't have enough vouchers to go around or whatever and leave it at that.

VisionQuest · 27/01/2020 23:04

Quite frankly I'd bin them all off and just be friends with Claire!

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 23:09

Thank you all - you’ve all said exactly what I was feeling about this situation. I’ve been clinging to the group out of misplaced loyalty .

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EmeraldShamrock · 27/01/2020 23:12

Say the vouchers are used the answer no. You can't really stop them if they book themselves. I think you navigate friendships well, you can clearly see the wolf among the sheep, sometimes you need to be a Shepherd.

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 23:14

Thank you Emerald.

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Smelborp · 27/01/2020 23:18

I wouldn’t blame Claire. I would point out that they have meetings which are for only some of the group and that’s all this is too. The spa weekend would work better with a smaller group on this occasion.

Laura sounds annoying. She doesn’t have to go.

Happy101 · 27/01/2020 23:22

That Laura needs to keep her nose out of your business, why is she inviting other people to use your spa vouchers?? This may be sad, but the older i've gotten i've realised it's better to have 1 or 2 friends. And I avoid mums at the school gates, I have my own friends. It all just seems to close to home as you have the potential to see them everyday, they're involved with your kids, you kids friends etc, far too much chance for it to get messy.

ThePlantsitter · 27/01/2020 23:23

I think Anna's words are good but if you don't want to mention Claire explicitly say

“Hi Laura. Oh nice idea, but this time I’ve purposefully tried to keep the group small - I think we've reached the stage where we don't have to invite the whole group to everything, haven't we? Definitely up for a bigger spa day get together later in the year!”

You don't have to explain why you want a smaller group or explicitly say 'and you didn't invite me just time you bastards' do you?

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 23:27

Plantsitter - I think that might just be what I need to say. I’m going to see laura tomorrow morning and do this face to face so my words (or tone) can’t be misinterpreted.

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ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 27/01/2020 23:32

I also wouldn't mention Claire. It's absolutely not her fault, but I could see women like this leaping on her as someone to blame for them not being invited. You don't have vouchers to cover them all, it isn't school so you're sure they understand you can't invite everyone this time, and you can all forget to book a bigger spa day later in the year when you haven't got such a short time frame to stick to.

KellyHall · 27/01/2020 23:34

Good luck!

I've always found groups of women far too much hard work and have fallen out with them all, over the course of my life. I always get on better with male friends, my best friend is male and we've been friends for over 10 years. He laughs about the awful women I've been friends with over the years 😳

MoonlightBonnet · 27/01/2020 23:37

I think you also need to be quite explicit that you will save the vouchers just for you and Claire if they insist on trying to broaden the group.

Butterymuffin · 27/01/2020 23:51

The Plantsitter has nailed it with that wording. Use that and if anyone persists with the 'we're soo hurt you didn't ask us' you can take the gloves off, look puzzled and say 'but you did a smaller gathering for X occasion, didn't you, because I wasn't at that? We're being very flexible with the get togethers now I thought?'