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AIBU - friendship circle issues

62 replies

IndigoHexagon · 27/01/2020 22:18

Hi all, I've wanted to ask advice on here for a while now and tonight it has come to a bit of a situation that I don't quite know how to deal with.

Sorry if it gets long. I will keep it as simple as possible. I know I'm opening myself up for some harsh criticism but please be kind - I don't make friends very easily and navigating friendships can be a challenge for me.

I am one of a group of what was to begin with 6 friends, all mums (ages between 30-40) and originally connected through school. We used to frequently (several times a week) get together, with or without kids,. It could be just a few of us on some occasions, more on others. The school our children all attended when we met was very small, and we would go out at xmas and invite all the other mums - some would come and some wouldn't but it was always fun and happy and surprisingly little conflict.

About 18 months ago a new mum, Jenny moved into the area. At first she socialised with lots of different groups of mums and after a bit of drama we had a bit of an issue. My best friend Claire, suffers quite badly from anxiety and had been friendly with another mum, called Jane from outside our immediate friendship circle. Jenny was also friends with Jane. Not really relevant why but Jane caused a lot of trouble between Jenny and Claire which ended up with Jenny treating Claire and her children really poorly. Claire's reaction was to completely distance herself from Jenny.

Then, after falling out with Jane herself, Jenny started to socialise with one or two of the members of our friendship circle. She works part time and offers a service that a couple of our friends use so she became very close to these friends in particular.

As time went on I noticed that meet ups were happening less and less often, or were being arranged at very short notice, which meant that Claire, due to her bad anxiety, couldn't attend. She started to take this personally and felt that she was being excluded from the friendship circle in favour of Jenny. It has now been 9 months since the whole group socialised, with the exception of the xmas night out, which was quite frankly, uncomfortable and awkward. Jenny and the mums she's particularly friended, completely ignored the rest of the table and it was like there were two separate groups out at the same time. They only made an effort to speak to the people at our end if we were at the bar at the same time. After this Claire made the decision that the friendship group, when Jenny was out with us, was making her anxiety much worse (to the point that she had to restart her medication, which she had not needed for several months). Claire decided that she would no longer socialise with Jenny and would only go out with smaller groups of us from the bigger circle.

Which brings us to tonight. I have been given some (quite a lot) vouchers for spa weekend that a relative was given for xmas and won't use that have to be used by the end of February, I invited Claire (obviously) and two of the other in the group who I have know for years and years (we were the original three mums that met first). We were finalising plans when Laura, one of these sent me a PM asking me if she could add Jenny and the other mums from the group to come with us as she'd told them about it and they were all keen, to go and were hurt that I hadn't asked them in the first place.

Laura has lots of different friendship groups that she never mixes, but tends to take over and control and events that are going on. She is the closest one of us to Jenny. It is Laura that has regularly arranged meet ups that include Jenny but exclude Claire, and lately, me by extension because of my friendship with Claire.

Claire has said to agree and she will make an excuse and not come. I don't want to go without her - I'd rather not have invited anyone else but I didn't realise it was ok for Laura and Jenny to have events and lunches etc without including the rest of us, but that I have to include everyone!

Its all so blooming childish - we are all grown women and yet its like being back at School. I understand why Claire feels the way she does but she doesn't want me to tell Laura the truth about why I don't want to include Jenny and the others so its me that everyone is going to be angry with!

I do hate the idea of leaving anyone out, and would NEVER had left just Jenny out but now I am being made to feel that I can never arrange to do anything with any of the mums from the original friendship circle without including EVERYONE!

I just don't know what to do. If I say no, I will basically be alienating myself from all my friends, but If I say yes my best friend with self-exclude herself, and be devastated that I didn't stick up for her.

OP posts:
anon2000000000 · 28/01/2020 00:00

God we all know a Jenny don't we.

Jenny is a dick. I bet she's one of those people that "tells it like it is" when in actual fact she's just a dick with no regard for anyone else's feelings.

RubysRoo · 28/01/2020 00:52

Definitely what Plantsitter said! Good luck!

They sound petty, mean and childish and Jenny seems to have caused so much unnecessary conflict. You are far better off without friends like that.

JFM27 · 28/01/2020 11:02

O dear women friends,I know quite a lot about this as have had recent problems,one of my long term friends suddenly turned on i and another friend for no real reason and just decided she didnt want us to be part of her life.She blocked us on FB, stopped any contact.We went to a party recently of mutual friend,she was there,she ignored me my friend and friends partner,when my friend confronted her about it i wouldnt,she said "im better without you in my life im in a good place,dont need you" my friend was terribly upset.They had been friends for 25 years,close ones,Me 15.Women seem more inclined to do this than men,perhaps its because more close and intimate in first place.

I feel totally distant to my oldest friend,we were at school together and though she still lives in our hometown and i dont,we stayed friends,She was a strong Remainer for EU,but voted for Johnson to" get it over with" and not let Corbyn in,I feel ive never really known her now and just cant feel same way towards her,ever.shes not person i thought she was.

Female friendships go deep,and when they fail the fail in a big way.

Dozer · 28/01/2020 11:07

As PPs say, sounds like Jenny is a Wendy.

Also agree NOT to refer to Claire in your message to the cheeky fucker friend. Say that on this occasion you’re using your vouchers and have invited just a few people.

BottleOfJameson · 28/01/2020 11:08

Hi Laura. Ordinarily I’d love to get together with everyone but I hope you understand that this time I’ve purposefully tried to keep the group small. Claire’s been struggling to join in with bigger get togethers recently and I know she’d appreciate it if we could keep it just us. Definitely up for a bigger spa day get together later in the year!

This is a great response. A spa day doesn't have to be a huge event it's usually a smaller group anyway.

Dozer · 28/01/2020 11:08

Also wouldn’t suggest another spa meet up o a future date unless you’d actually want to do that - doesn’t sound like it.

BottleOfJameson · 28/01/2020 11:09

Although actually I think PP are right not to mention Claire in the message - just say you've deliberately kept in small and intimate this time but how about we all do a big event soon.

Dozer · 28/01/2020 11:09

Badmouthing Claire (who isn’t the problem here) would not be a “great response” IMO.

saraclara · 28/01/2020 11:12

Why the hell is anyone else talking about this trip to others and basically inviting them to spend YOUR vouchers? That's bizarre.
Now a bunch of people are all hurt that you've not shared your vouchers with them? What a nerve! I'd' be telling them all to fuck off, frankly. How entitled can you get?

saraclara · 28/01/2020 11:16

I also wouldn't mention Claire. It's absolutely not her fault, but I could see women like this leaping on her as someone to blame for them not being invited.

100% agree with that. She'll become the scapegoat, which is the last thing she needs in her life.

Seriously these 'hurt' people are awful. And Laura should keep her nose out and stop stirring the pot.

BlueChangeling · 28/01/2020 11:38

100% agree not to mention Claire. If Jenny already has an issue with her and hears that Claire was the one that prevented her attending the spa day it could add more drama to the mix.

Skittlesandbeer · 28/01/2020 11:51

More generally than your spa day issue (now roundly solved!), strongly consider broadening your pool of friends. This school thing is not a good long-term prospect. You say that even in ‘the good times’ you saw each other several times a week? Bloomin’ heck! That was always going to come a cropper.

Kids changing friends/classes/schools and a million other natural changes in the dynamic. You sound a bit as if you (and Claire) thought the original group had signed a life pact in blood. These are necessarily fast-moving years, and if you’re lucky you might maintain one or two women friendships across those years. Be prepared for it to be fraught and tricky. Spread your chips (casino style) across other friendship groups- workplaces, hobby groups, neighbours, Facebook, whatever.

No one group could ever have given you (or Claire) exactly what you needed over time. See it as a natural, ‘times up’ distancing or re-grouping, rather than a dramatic betrayal. Spend that energy finding your new peeps, rather than bemoaning the old group?

CSIblonde · 28/01/2020 12:40

How does Laura know you have enough vouchers for everyone? If she doesn't know how many you have, just say you only had enough for those invited, or, you've spent them all already.

AriadnesFilament · 28/01/2020 12:41

The CFs are just trying to get in the spa vouchers! Gits!

Agree with PPs who’ve said don’t use Claire’s name when fending Jenny off - Jenny is the type who will use that against Claire in the future and it’ll just make things harder for Claire.

The suggestions along the lines of “the vouchers are all used up on the people who are already booked, and there have been quite a few gatherings that haven’t been the full group over the last few months haven’t there? I know I certainly haven’t been invited to a good few! (Insert tinkly laugh)” are all spot on.

Dylaninthemovies1 · 28/01/2020 20:53

Being completely nosey: but how did the chat with Laura go?

NigellaAwesome · 28/01/2020 21:00

Jenny is a Wendy and Laura is a shit stirrer.

I hope the chat went well. It is beyond cheeky for Laura to arrange to spend your vouchers on other people.

I agree with the advice to broaden your friends beyond this group.

IndigoHexagon · 29/01/2020 07:51

Hi everyone

So, I spoke to Claire before I answered laura to reassure her that I wasn’t going to let Laura invite Jenny and that I wouldn’t mention her name at all.

I was really quite cross with Laura for asking - she knows the reason it was just the four of us, and in her message her last line was “or is it exclusive? Lol” - which I took as quite a dig to be honest!

So I went to see her yesterday face to face rather than do it over a message where my tone could be misinterpreted.

Literally the first words out of her mouth were ‘change of plan - I can’t come to the spa with you guys, I didn’t realise it was the last weekend of half term and I was going to go away with the kids’

So she’s cancelled on me and doesn’t want to invite the others now anyway! I find it quite amusing that because she’s not coming, there is no longer a requirement for the others to be invited!

I think a lot of you summed up the situation perfectly. Friendships do indeed change and evolve over time and sometimes you outgrow them or they outgrow you and they run their course and I think that’s what has happened here. I think Jenny has just been the catalyst for change within the group.

I think it would have been easier if she’d been outwardly nasty and bitchy but she’s been quite insidious and because the friends she’s made more of an effort to get close to ‘need’ her services she’s made herself indispensable!

Oh well, the hotel were happy to cancel her place and transfer the voucher savings to the other three places I’d booked, so we are now having an even cheaper pamper day!

OP posts:
Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 29/01/2020 08:02

Bollocks to her excuse. She’s worried if she socialises with you and Claire that she’ll be in Jenny’s bad books.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 29/01/2020 08:08

Jenny sounds a right arse and Laura is a CF. Glad it has worked out and Claire can enjoy a lovely day.

Nanny0gg · 29/01/2020 08:13

Don't believe her reason for one second. It's saved you a problem but the friendships have definitely changed

IndigoHexagon · 29/01/2020 08:24

I don’t believe her Nanny0gg - last in a long line of changed behaviour I’ve seen from Laura in the last few months and she’s clearly decided that Jenny’s friendship is the one she values more at this moment in time.

Claire is so much more excited about the trip now, I hadn’t realised that it wasn’t just Jenny that was causing her anxiety.

Moving on now!

OP posts:
Dozer · 29/01/2020 08:40

Well handled OP!

Jenny is a Wendy!

More fool Laura.

MuchBetterNow · 29/01/2020 09:05

Others are correct when they say how these school gate friendships evolve over the years and you get your eyes opened!

I’m in a WhatsApp group that’s been going for about 10/11 years (dc are all 18 now). There are 5 of us I’m very close to 2 of them, the other 2 I can take or leave.

One that I can “leave”, I used to be very fond of but we’ve all noticed in the past year she constantly bails on arrangements at the last minute and only contacts the group chat when she wants something.

People show their true colours eventually.

OlaEliza · 29/01/2020 10:02

I'd use the vouchers for Claire and me for several visits between now and the end of Feb. Fuck the rest of them.

DrManhattan · 29/01/2020 10:12

Its better to have 1 great friend than loads of rubbish ones