Anyone would be forgiven for thinking this is satire!

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How can you downgrade the importance of deprivation when assessing need?

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By being a Tory!

Erm, deprivation is not a need?

I put yabu, but only because your surprised that Tories couldn't give a flying fuck about people who live in deprived areas.

I’m just stunned that level of deprivation could possibly no longer be a key indicator of need! It just seems so ridiculous.

That's the kind of thing you get when you vote Tory. They always favour the home counties over any other part of the UK. It's not as if people don't know this, after decades of it being the case, so presumably the voters in those northern constituencies are fine with it, or else they wouldn't have voted for them.

Well what did people expect voting Tory? They weren’t magically going to change because of Brexit.

No, being poor absolutely has no bearing on your need to access services like elder care, children's services, public transport etc. But yes, Boris voters still seem to be under some delusion that he and his cronies care about ordinary people. I have staunch Conservative voters in my family. They will be the first to moan if they have to wait for a Dr appt but seem unable to connect the two.

Well this is the indication of how much the Tories really care about the so-called Red Wall electorates. More fool those people who voted for them.

Labour were pretty rubbish in the last election and the ones before that , but they could at least be called to account.

The Tories do t give a flying fuck for anyone outside of London and the Home Counties. .

Cognitive dissonance @Whatifitallgoesright

There’s a lot of it about atm

If I'm deprived of food do I not need it?

Karma is indeed a bitch

Oh well. Poor them.

The Tories don't need their support anymore. They're no longer useful idiots to them, they're just poor people.

The people who did give a shit were roundly rejected in favour of the Tories.

Chances are that a few quid will be chucked their way in four years' time, just ready for the next election after blaming all the Brexit consequences upon those pesky remainers, people with immigrant ancestry and 'different values' - sneaky shorthand for 'brown people'.

And then they'll vote for the Tories again.

@Whatifitallgoesright - but surely poor people are less likely to have a car and have more need of public transport, more likely to have mental health issues, for example so more likely to need Children's services and poor elderly people are less likely to be able to afford help/care so more likely to need support?

Yes they will be more likely to need help and support but hs2 and getting big ben to ring is far more important

Just leave this here ... popped up a while back, and I knew it'd be needed soon.

@SerendipityJane that's a really interesting look at things and shows the ideological divide between me and my family.

Maybe next time they won’t think the Tories are the party for them then.

That "divide" logo thingy can be used about most ideas. It is surprising how many areas of life are covered by it. It is too easy to say it is a Left v Right thing

Independent is as bad as the mail for clickbait these days sadly, lets wait for the budget to be disappointed

So if I'm reading this correctly actually the cash hasn't actually been switched yet and at the moment the new formula is just an exercise?

I reckon there's a good chance of this being changed or abandoned considering the Tories will want to keep hold of as many votes as possible in the north. It's also notable this was kicked off by May when the situation was different.

In short this looks like the usual nonsense pedalled by the Independent.

@UndertheCedartree I suspect Whatifitallgoesright was being ironic.

I would laugh, but as my job is in one of the areas mentioned and I will be very much on the frontline dealing with any potential fallout, all I can do is sink my head into my hands and weep.

I sink my head in my hands wondering how we, as a country, can get ourselves out of the awfulness of a huge underclass of people treated so badly that they make themselves an underclass just by lacking hope that they are worth anything more.

How to raise hope & aspiration?

Because it affects all of us - I don't want to live in a country where I have to defend myself, my personal safety and my property from a neglected resentful hopeless underclass. Because it feels as though this will happen ...

I want to live in a country where everyone is valued and where we can all live, work, take leisure time, move freely and enjoy interacting with fellow citizens. I don't want to live in the equivalent of a gated community, separated into underclass and the rest of us. It worries me that this will happen.

I sink my head in my hands wondering how we, as a country, can get ourselves out of the awfulness of a huge underclass of people treated so badly that they make themselves an underclass just by lacking hope that they are worth anything more.

They are not making themselves an underclass, they have been forced into that situation. They may lack hope and aspiration and no wonder with minimal money and limited social capital to take advantage of when it comes to improving their children's future - no handy friends with desirable jobs to provide work experience opportunities, several generations who have not worked and are unlikely to work. Their children often recognise the hopelessness of their situation and despair at how to get out of it, things I've heard primary school children say highlights how frustrated they are by their situation and lack of opportunities to break the cycle that their families are in.

How to raise hope & aspiration?

School careers days, effective work experience provision for all, proper funding of schools, availability of good quality apprenticeships reserved for school leavers/people classified as NEETs.

Because it affects all of us - I don't want to live in a country where I have to defend myself, my personal safety and my property from a neglected resentful hopeless underclass

Is this your main concern or is your main concern for the wellbeing of the underclass? Because many, many people who are in the underclass are honest citizens who pose no threat whatsoever to your property. It is not the underclass who are hopeless but their situation.

Because it feels as though this will happen ...

Thanks to the electorate who voted Tory.

WTF