My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

AIBU?

DH charging me interest on a ‘loan’ he’s giving me?

999 replies

Twirlywirlywurly · 23/01/2020 09:21

On Tuesday my car finally gave up the ghost. It’s been nothing but trouble for the past 18 months now really, it’s cost me 2k in repairs in that time and Tuesday was the 3rd time in 7 months it’s broken down on me when I’m rushing between clients and meetings (I’m self employed)

Between the constant repairs and having just paid my tax return my savings have been depleted.

The AA man said it was pretty much a right off as it’s an expensive repair (clutch and something else) and the mileage is so high on it anyway that it won’t have that much left in it. I cannot be doing with the constant worry about breaking down and letting my client base down.

I said to DH yesterday ‘that’s it, I’m going to get one on a business lease or get a loan from the bank and get something newer and more reliable.’

DH has never had any type of debt (apart from mortgage) his whole life, he’s always ensured (well for his adult working life) that he has at least 18 months of salary in the bank for a rainy day. He turned around and said ‘I’d rather you didn’t. We’re married, it would be my debt too and I won’t have debt.’

I said well what am I supposed to do then as I’ve just depleted the last of my savings paying my tax return and I cannot be without a car (I’m having to hire one for the rest of the week)

I should add, we’ve been together 7 years and married for 2. DH is a ‘high earner’ and earns 3 x my salary and as stated, has HEFTY (think small house worth) savings in the bank at all times. He then turned around and said ‘I’ll have to do you a loan.’

He’s just emailed me a s/sheet with loan repayments on for the sum of money we agreed on last night. However, the amount was £150 over the agreed loan amount. I replied saying okay re the loan amount payments but that it was £150 more. He’s just replied saying ‘Yes, well over the 3 years I’ll have been earning interest on that money so I think it’s only fair.’

Don’t get me wrong, I’m extremely grateful to him for lending me the money, but I never ask him for anything. I’m very financially independent (normally) and certainly never ask him for money. I just feel uneasy with him charging his wife interest?

He’s also pushing for us to start trying for a family in the next few months and I’m thinking, well what will happen with the loan then? It’s a 3 year loan, I won’t be able to pay it once on Maternity leave!

AIBU?

OP posts:
Report

Am I being unreasonable?

2379 votes. Final results.

POLL
You are being unreasonable
2%
You are NOT being unreasonable
98%
Pollaidh · 23/01/2020 19:51

Two further things to consider:

  • You need full disclosure of his money. Suggest he moves half of it into your savings/investment accounts. It might well work out better tax-wise anyway. If he refuses then you've got your answer. I was dubious about my DH for a while because he can be hilariously tight sometimes, but when he's used up all his tax-free allowances, he sends about the same to me to go in my accounts, we have joint investment accounts, AND he puts money into the investment account in my name (more tax efficient).

    *When having a child, the financial hit to the mother is not just the maternity leave. There's possibility of illness during the pregnancy too. Then after ML (during which time you may have missed opportunities), you often return to work part-time, often because the DH earns more, so it 'makes sense'. Then when the DC is ill, it ends up being the mother taking the time off, because the family can least afford for the father to lose his job due to being off too much. You have to be very careful to guard against this, and make sure you both share the sickness cover. Then there's school holidays - there's parental leave which is unpaid, up to 4 weeks/year I think. Again who does it 'make sense' to take the leave? The full-time father, who has been promoted multiple times whilst wife has babies and facilitates the home life, and so earns multiple times, or the lower paid woman? The income and career prospects between the DH and DW become further and further apart. Then there's the fact that some pregnancies leave the mothers with permanent health problems. Both DSis and I had entirely different pregnancy complications which have meant neither of us could return to full-time high-pressure jobs.

    DH and I were originally both high flyers, and we have gone, in the 10 years of child-bearing and early years, from DH earning about 25% more than me to DH earning 400% more than me.
Report
Yajjjj · 23/01/2020 19:52

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. The separation or savings, the charging interest. Not a partnership in my opinion. You shd read him these responses.

Report
spongejack · 23/01/2020 19:52

My point is a financially abusive man wouldn't backtrack. He'd convince her he was right.

Really? Or wait until she's pregnant and just say no..... how do you know the mind of this financially abusive man? They don't all follow the same script!

You're very very blinkered @GiveHerHellFromUs, with his track record would you feel 100% confident?

A man with enough money for a small house that charges his wife interest for a car is financially abusive.

Report
Wereallsquare · 23/01/2020 19:53

You do not have a true partner who supports you. How very sad.

Is your husband capable of becoming a supportive and true partner?

Is he capable of removing "my" and "your" from his vocabulary and replacing them with "our"? Without resentment?

Is he capable of respecting your ability to manage money?

There is a lot of wisdom in this thread. Take your time and read it carefully.

You say the scales have been removed. Wonderful.

Keep your eyes and ears open.

Report
FarmerWantsABaby · 23/01/2020 19:53

Ok I wasn't going to give my opinion on this but I had a good think and your post had just really bothered me.
He is your husband?
I'm not one for comparing but a marriage is a team. I'm a part time teacher (would love to be full time but there are no jobs where I live) and my husband is a concreter, we own and pay for a farm also. We do not have a lot of money. If I needed cash my DH would just give it to me? What's with the "loan"? And the interest? Your situation is a little concerning in my eyes. I'm sorry maybe this isn't what you want to hear.

Report
RogueV · 23/01/2020 19:57

Show him this thread

Report
corcaithecat · 23/01/2020 19:57

WTF? So you’ve been driving a crappy car that breaks down and he has ££££££ in savings and he’s talking about a loan that you repay? You are facilitating him earning this money by looking after the house and providing home comforts.
You are supposed to be a team/partnership. You’re not his staff!

You sound quite young and I think a bit too trusting and possibly a little bit naive.

Assuming you stay at home during maternity leave and maybe work part-time whilst bringing the children up, (to cope with school hours and long school holidays), image how this will affect your earning capacity and final pension when you’re in your late sixties?
Most young mums don’t think this far ahead but I wish they would.

The numbers of men who have a ‘mid-life crisis’ and fuck off with a much younger model is too high to be ignored as another ‘it won’t happen to me’ statistic.

Fact is, whilst the now ex-DH controls the ‘family purse’, you are at his mercy. I don’t know of any ex husbands who don’t shower their new mistresses with gifts and holidays to the absolute detriment of the ex wife.

Set your bar much much higher!

Report
FinallyHere · 23/01/2020 20:00

He said he does view our money as ours,

Good update and well done on tackling it head on. However, as PPs have pointed out, it's Easy to say, what counts are his actions.

One way for him to prove that he means what he says, would be to give you full access to his savings. Online user name and password so if you wanted to you could just help yourself without having to ask him.

That's the test I would set if I could be bothered to stay around

Meanwhile, at the risk of repeating myself, do not have a child with him. How do you feel about starting a family when you are vulnerable with no eating power is exactly when abuse ramps up. And you are stuck because of the children, they always want more than one

Report
TimeMarchesOnNeverEnding · 23/01/2020 20:05

Jesus. I earn more than my other half if he needs money I give it to him. It's not a loan. I don't ask for it back. Our cars are all joint too. Sorry OP your OH is a selfish greedy dick.

Report
Fedupofdoingit · 23/01/2020 20:06

My son in law got into debt and was paying huge interest rates. I loaned him the money to pay the debt off, but got him to sign a loan agreement (just in case). He’s only my sil, and not my dh, but I didn’t factor in extra payments to take account of lost interest. He will just pay the amount back, end of.

As an aside, if he charges you interest, legally he must declare the interest on tax returns as this is classed as income. Make sure you tell him that!

Report
RockinHippy · 23/01/2020 20:07

I've just read your post out to my not unknown to be a tight arse DH.

His verdict on your DH... "what a cunt" not a phrase I hear him say often, so goes a long way to say just how badly your DH is behaving.

Do not have kids with this man

Report
VenusTiger · 23/01/2020 20:10

Charge him like a taxi for every food shop and outing with the kids OP

Report
RockinHippy · 23/01/2020 20:11

I also loaned my long time close friend money to buy a car, yes a written agreement, but no interest. He did insist on gifting me extra money as a thank you, but I wouldn't have dreamed of adding interest.

Report
Winifredgoose · 23/01/2020 20:15

As a married(though it was the same before we were married)person I find this type of attitude towards money incomprehensible.
I cannot reconcile two people sharing their lives together in a loving relationship whilst keeping separate finances, esp where one of the couple is far worse off. How can it be compatible with love and life long commitment? How can you be in such a set up for the rest of your life?
Everything we have is shared. It was the same with my parents. My partner would try and go without before he saw me do so(and certainly not our children). The very idea of him loaning me the money for a car rather than viewing it as a 'family expense' is bonkers.

Report
HeIenaDove · 23/01/2020 20:17

Words are cheap....................just like him!!!

Report
EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 23/01/2020 20:21

Love him as much as you like.

Stay with him as long as you want.

Under no circumstances have children together.

Report
Vanhi · 23/01/2020 20:22

You need to print out this thread for him to read.

Don't. It will just teach him how to hide his manipulation better in future.

Report
HuggedTrees · 23/01/2020 20:28

Huge well done to MN and the response and for OP for taking that on board and the reply your gave him OP at work, I think all those things you’ve said are exactly what needs to happen.

At times I’ve had no income, now mine is 3x my DH and I had an inheritance. All the way along all money and purchases etc have been equal. I would take a car as a Necessity for both of you, and a joint savings. So what if your savings go down the price of a car, that’s what they are there for, or does he want to die having millions and never lived.

Report
TimeForPlentyIn2020 · 23/01/2020 20:28

a financially abusive man wouldn't backtrack

He didn’t backtrack of his own accord though, did he? When the OP went at him full pelt he realised he’d pushed it a little too far. Abusive people don’t just go all in abuseive, they do it slowly and incrementally like boiling a frog. I don’t even think they know they’re doing it at the time often.

Report
RandomMess · 23/01/2020 20:31

As you are self employed leasing a car may be better anyway... is it not something you an offset as a business expense?

I really hope that your DH comes to his senses.

Report
user68901 · 23/01/2020 20:32

I've never told myself i can't afford a new car. The question has always been can WE afford a new car.
Well done for tackling him on this. .but i seriously don't trust his answers. This vague business about the savings and house deposit ....to be kept in the dark over a major expense and important household decision is ringing alarm bells.

Report
Aquamarine1029 · 23/01/2020 20:36

Now that you have confronted him about "his" money, I predict you will soon discover a nasty side of him you've never seen. He is going to panic about losing control. Just like with someone who hoards possessions, people who hoard money lash out when backed into a corner. The double talk alone shows he's not going to be willing to be equal partners.

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

Thedogscollar · 23/01/2020 20:36

Bloody hell I'd be telling the utterly selfish wanker where to go. As for starting a family with him omg please please DON'T. He sounds like a shit of the highest order. Never thought I'd hear myself saying this to a complete stranger but based on what you have said I'd be filing for divorce. He sounds bloody vile.

Report
Chocowoka · 23/01/2020 20:37

Is this a joke thread?

OP if not then you have my sympathy. That is absolutely ridiculous that your DH would do this!!

Report
Dizzygirl00 · 23/01/2020 20:40

Tight git Sad

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.