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Laurence Fox is an ignorant, spoilt brat.

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longwayoff · 20/01/2020 22:49

What is wrong with this fool? Apparently in James Delingpole's podcast, heavy sigh, he criticises Sam Mendes for featuring a Sikh soldier in WW1 film. Ever heard of the British Empire, Laurence? How many Indians died for Britain? AIBU to say LF is being deliberately divisive and provocative and evidently doing his own publicity?

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chomalungma · 24/01/2020 11:26

Films not firms

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 11:26

Educate yourself on the Battle if Britain and the contribution of the pilots from the Commonwealth and also the occupied countries of Europe

They were part of the Royal Airfoce and the numbers were small. I will post them if you like.
Please read what I actually said and what I was replying to. This is the problem, people jump on posts without reading what is being said.

Ashtower · 24/01/2020 11:27

Fox makes my blood boil. My great-grandfather owes his life to a Sikh soldier. I would literally not be alive if not for the brave actions of that soldier. Those soldier (of all religions and races) had more bravery and character in the little finger than that gobshite has in his entire weasly body.

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 11:34

You said the Battle of Britain was a British affair. It wasn't.
Other countries played an important contribution especially the Polish.

Clavinova · 24/01/2020 11:42

Afua Hirsch wanting to take down Nelson's Column thing is ironic

Afua Hirsch is a Guardian columnist - her article, ‘playing the race card’ was published the same day as LF's appearance on QT - but she also wrote a previous article about Nelson's column - a 'symbol of white supremacy' that should be pulled down.

Patroclus · 24/01/2020 11:42

Sikh soldiers were in britiah regiments so yes you would have seen them mixed with british soldiers, such was the battalion layout of trench defences, particularly later on with defence in depth policies

Patroclus · 24/01/2020 11:46

Calvary also had trench duty.

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 11:58

Afua Hirsch is a Guardian columnist - her article, ‘playing the race card’ was published the same day as LF's appearance on QT - but she also wrote a previous article about Nelson's column - a 'symbol of white supremafcy' that should be pulled down.
She wanted to pull down a memorial, Nelson's Column, that commemorates black veterans of the Royal Navy from 200 years ago. Its bizarre.
The base of the column portrays a black sailor but in her bonkers world this was supposed to be 'white supremacy'. How old is Nelson's column

malylis · 24/01/2020 11:59

The battle of Britain wasn't just a British affair, nor does having one Sikh soldier or an entire platoon of them in a film "over exaggerate" their contribution.

What is the problem with representing them?

Even if it wasn't common it doesn't mean they can be represented in a film.

What is the issue ?

malylis · 24/01/2020 12:06

Oh and no Britain wasn't alone during the BoB we had support from the colonies of the empire and allied troops in our forces.

The Royal Candain Airforce, pilots from the Polish Airforce, the free french, Australian, Irish, Belgian, New Zealand etc.

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:08

You said the Battle of Britain was a British affair. It wasn't
I didnt say British affair. I said that the only other country involved in fighting Nazi Germany at this time was Greece.
Which other country was fighing at the time?

This is another thing. There is a difference between fighting and being part of an allied force. I sometimes see Amercians say that their Grt Grandad 'fought' in WW1, but sometimes the only evidence they have seen are draft papers on genealogy sites. Most drafted in the USA never even reached Europe (WW1) but they assume their ancestors did

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:20

What is the problem with representing them?
No one is saying they shouldn't be represented. What they're saying is that the representation should be accurate.
In the film Dunkirk people complained about lack of BAME representation but the film is the story of one soldier who is seen maybe a couple of times with a group the size of a platoon. Many of the scenes are of large numbers of men at a distance, who could be of any ethnicity, you cannot tell from so far away. A story about one man and his interactions up close with a small group of other men. But still people complained!

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 12:22

I can't quote as am on the phone but at 11.10 you said it was a British victory with no other Allied forces fighting at the time.
Completely ignoring the contribution of other Allied forces. Why would you do that?

Lisamarie33 · 24/01/2020 12:24

I totally agree with everything Laurence fox said on QT, Not everything after that but he has apologies for the sikh comment.

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:29

I can't quote as am on the phone but at 11.10 you said it was a British victory with no other Allied forces fighting at the time.

It was a British victory and the only other allied country fighting at the time was Greece

Completely ignoring the contribution of other Allied forces. Why would you do that?
Do you mean allied country? Apart from Greece which country was that?

malylis · 24/01/2020 12:30

Laurence Fox was complaining about one Sikh character in a film!

You have been defending that.

Which other country was fighting at that time? I gave you a list of other countries who contributed forces. All of the countries in the British empire were engaged in the fight against the Nazis too, there was no real Britain alone moment if we are going for historical accuracy.

So incorrect again.

malylis · 24/01/2020 12:31

It wasn't a British victory, historically inaccurate, it was an allied one.

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 12:33

It was a victory for Britain enabled by the contribution of pilots from the UK, the Commonwealth and other countries.

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:39

Laurence Fox was complaining about one Sikh character in a film!

You have been defending that.

As far as I remember I haven't mentioned the film or LF comments about it.

Which other country was fighting at that time?
Yes i asked you which other country, as a nation, was fighting at the time of the BoB, apart from Greece? You still haven't answered

I gave you a list of other countries who contributed forces.
No. There is a difference between a nation sending troops and individual men from other countries joining British or Greek armed forces (BoB conversation)

All of the countries in the British empire were engaged in the fight against the Nazis too,
I agree

there was no real Britain alone moment if we are going for historical accuracy.

So incorrect again.

Wrong

It wasn't a British victory, historically inaccurate, it was an allied one.

The BoB wasnt a victory? I've heard it all now
Again. Which other country, as a nation, apart from Greece was fighting the Nazis during the BoB period of the war?

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:43

It wasn't a British victory, historically inaccurate, it was an allied one.

Which country had declared war on, or was fighting, Germany during the BoB time period apart from Greece.
It's a simple question and the answer is easy to find

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 12:48

The person did not say it was not a victory. That makes you a hypocrite for not reading something.
The Commonwealth set up the Empire Air Training scheme to train pilots to fly in the RAF.

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 12:50

The Commonwealth countries all declared war on Germany ain in 1939

Flaxmeadow · 24/01/2020 12:54

The person did not say it was not a victory.

The person did

That makes you a hypocrite for not reading something.

Resorting to insults is not a good look

The Commonwealth set up the Empire Air Training scheme to train pilots to fly in the RAF.

Where?

The Commonwealth countries all declared war on Germany ain in 1939

No. Britain declared war in 1939

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 13:01

Ask Google when the Commonwealth countries declared war on Germany. See what comes up

chomalungma · 24/01/2020 13:02

Google thr commonwealth air training plan. See what comes up

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