Chris Packham - one child policy.

[Meadowland]

Reasonable or Unreasonable ?

Indeed it is not black magic!
people respond to incentives, if you have the opportunity to earn your own money and have a fulfilling career of course you will choose that over being a domestic slave
Women understand the importance of having economic power and if they can see a pathway towards it they will take it

@lynsey91

Totally agree and think something needs to be done to discourage this. Fathers not acknowledging their dcs and denying paternity needs to stop as well, so they can't get out of paying for their first lot so they can move on and impregnate someone else.

But something being done to stop it does not mean us going "gawd, can't believe they did this". That does not a policy make.

I look forward to seeing Chris Packham advocating for the complete decriminalisation of abortion in the UK then.
Surprising he didn't start there first.
A country that still wants to criminalise a woman for ending her own pregnancy probably should fix that, before establishing how to punish her for getting pregnant too.

One of the most profound impacts on population control is the global education of women and girls.
Educate us, treat us as full humans, stop relegating us to pieces of property to be married off as children or exploited for the use of our female bodies. In short, treat us as equals to men.
The more women are afforded equality, the more the birth rate reduces.

Turns out feminism has the ability to reduce global population dramatically.

Perhaps Chris Packham needs to ponder on that.

www.drawdown.org/solutions/women-and-girls

It seems extreme but I'm so sick of threads that say 'AIBU to have a fourth child??' Yes you bloody well are being unreasonable. Especially when child free people that fly to their holiday destination get a pasting

Barracker

Yes. That was what he actually said he wanted.

“If you were to rub a lamp and give me a wish, it [population control] would be [achieved by] the immediate emancipation of women all over the planet. In every example looked at, it significantly reduced the birth rate and improved the quality of life for both the woman and the family.”

I don’t know why people aren’t bothering to read what he actually said. I was sceptical at first, until I did and saw that he wants to start by freeing all women from the burden of having to have child after child.

Well, the OP has set up it up so people will do that.

Ha!
Well crikey, JamieVardysHavingAParty

There was no link in the OP and I hadn't heard his comments so I took the OP at face value: that he had advocated a one child policy.
Advocating for the better treatment of the entire female sex, from birth to death, will yield the population control naturally.
Unfortunately, there is a global movement to make so much as legally recognising the existence of the female sex forbidden, let alone affording the female sex specific rights to ensure equality.

If you can't recognise us as biologically different from men, then you can't measure how our lives differ, and you can't fix a single oppression.

@BooseysMom a marble run made of straws sounds like a feat of engineering, congratulations .

Oh and how nice to have one child, any time anyone questions anything you get to say, with raised eyebrows, yes but I only have one child! Want to swap? If so I'm going to use the remaining plastic straws to forge my halo, or possibly my crown. Obviously since I am a thoughtless, world murdering wrench I can have neither currently!

PS I was trying to explain to my 15 year old (who is very much stuck on the fact that anyone older than him is clearly responsible for everything from global warming to his dismal mock gcse results) that in order to reduce the hideous carbon footprint I have created, not only do they have to walk to school in the rain but I am only taking them on UK based holidays. He is unimpressed. Although I am clearly a turtle murderer for ever buying plastic straws, he'd still like a lift to school in the rain

Never ever take a one-line OP at face value. They're like titles in Take A Break. Front page says,
"I gave birth on my gran's
CARPET".

Story says, "Sitting on Gran's rug, I winced in pain and put my cup of tea down. "Gran," I said, "labour's started. We've got to go to hospital." Only 25 hours later, my beautiful baby was born".

JamieVardy
Tbf, I was moved to look further into it because I hated to think Chris Packham was being an authoritarian dickhead. Relieved to find he wasn’t.

I read through the thread to see if someone else had sorted it out because it didn't make sense that CP had said that. I'm just copying and pasting the research of someone else. (Do have a link to support it though.)

Sadly, there is is a significant number of people in this country to whom this is anthema.
Perhaps because they can see using mass immigration to try to prop up the failure of our system to support older people is a fucking stupid ponzi scheme that can’t work in the long term.

I hated to think Chris Packham was being an authoritarian dickhead.
No, he’s just a regular dickhead.

Disgusting.

You can't enforce it by law but it might become socially unacceptable to have more than one or two due to environmental issues.

It needs to be come socially unacceptable right now. Or preferably a few decades ago.

I’m sure he’d care even less about your opinion than I do, Hingeandbracket

people taking financial responsibility.

How many people earn enough to take full financial responsibilty for their old age?

If we’re going to be really blunt the government has caused overpopulation. If the government didn’t fund children with healthcare, education, benefits etc then far fewer would be born.

Because people in poor countries with no social security are well known for having small families. Well educated women on the other hand tend to have smaller families. Lets not forget the UK birth rate is below replacement level last I checked.

Wealth is generated by the people, governments consolidate and allocate the resources which we generate collectively
We direct resources towards healthcare education and the well-being of children because this is good for society as a whole
we need the next generation to be healthy and well educated so that they can generate the wealth (in the form of technological social and cultural advancement) that we need to prosper as a species

You are absolutely right @grolliffethedragon, re education and other public services. The better education they get, the fewer children women have (the data was carried out for women, not men iirc). And the better the health outcomes for children are, the fewer children we tend to have.

The pp who you quoted has it back to front I'm afraid.

The only downside is that, as it is, better standards of living mean higher carbon footprint. But, the hope is that as the technology improves and the political will to reduce emissions increases, this will not always be the case.

I’m sure he’d care even less about your opinion than I do, Hingeandbracket
I am sure you are right, he’s a dick.

I'm beginning to find it disturbing how many times you've posted that on this thread, hingeandbracket.

If you have one, or two already, think about whether you really need to start trying for that extra child.

I have 4. Number 4 was as wanted and as not "needed" as number 1.
I only stopped at 4 because we couldn't afford more.

How many times do you hear all the women in the office going all gooey-eyed and weak at the knees when someone brings their baby in? They all fight over it and can't help themselves

I would find a "meeting" to go to. I am not remotely interested in other peoples' babies, and I can't think that I am the only one!