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Benefits fraud- what is the general feeling about it?

190 replies

Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 18:49

I have changed my name and I’m posting with trepidation! I really am aware that I might sound heartless and mean. I will not be reporting this person but Im just interested to hear how other people feel about this. People may be very horrible to me and in this case I won’t be back! Sorry but not brave enough for an onslaught.

I won’t do the dreaded drip feed but I will have to be vague about a few details because I wouldn’t want the family identified.

So- a family I know had all their children removed from their care by the courts some years ago. They were a very large family. It is a permanent situation and the children will not be returning to their birth parents.

Despite many years passing the parents are still receiving benefits and tax credits for all of the children.

On the one hand I feel it’s really sloppy administration and makes a mockery of the benefits system. The tax payers are paying a lot of money in support for this family who are all in foster care. As well as supporting the parents who are on benefits. And now it’s come to light that there are tax credits paid to the parents for all of the children too.

I also feel that in some ways it’s probably this money that is holding their mother back from working. I feel she would really benefit from the structure and satisfaction of working. She has always claimed benefits and has never really stood on her own feet. She’s 40 ish.

On the other hand I feel that having lost her children she is very needy and this money will be very important to her. I can’t begrudge her anything because I feel extremely sorry for her.

I would not report this family but I definitely feel conflicted. I wonder how often this sort of thing goes on whilst there are people struggling to claim what they need.

Apologies if I sound really awful and mean. I’m just surprised at this situation and the money is not going to good use. I know this but cannot give details for risk of identifying them.

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Aneley · 08/01/2020 19:00

I don't think you are unreasonable to feel conflicted about this and to have issues with the way this person used the benefits system. As a tax payer, I would be irked too - I am happy with my tax money going towards supporting people in need but to support for an entire lifetime a healthy adult who won't work out of choice (if that is indeed the situation) - that I am not happy with at all. Additional issue is that people who misuse the benefits system (which is there for a good reason) bring bad reputation to all benefit users which is bad on its own.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 08/01/2020 19:03

Benefit fraud is theft and I would report just as I would ring the police should I see a break in etc. Other tax payers have worked for that money.

fedup21 · 08/01/2020 19:04

Are you positive they are still receiving the money-how can you be sure?

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 08/01/2020 19:06

MN is generally in favour of anything and everything being "reported" (including things that aren't actual offences) but has a peculiar blindspot when it comes to benefit fraud.

Junie70 · 08/01/2020 19:06

I'd report in a heartbeat. They're already costing the state a fortune without being financially rewarded for being feckless parents.

Cornettoninja · 08/01/2020 19:07

On the other hand I feel that having lost her children she is very needy and this money will be very important to her. I can’t begrudge her anything because I feel extremely sorry for her

Ah that’s a tricky one when you put it like that.

Personally I feel that in most circumstances benefit fraud happens when making up the finances independently is beyond the capabilities of the person claiming, maybe caring responsibilities, illness, earning capabilities vs cost of living etc. More often than not I feel sympathetic or at the least that it’s none of my business if they choose to take that risk.

In the persons case I think you’re right and she would get so much more out of her life working and supporting herself. I can’t imagine what turns her life has taken to end up in the situation she has but it’s unhealthy to wallow without any purpose.

Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 19:07

That’s how I feel yes. Both these adults are perfectly able to work but choose not to. (They do some work but that’s undeclared income). And yes it definitely gives a bad name to people who really need benefits. I am a taxpayer and am happy to support people in need. This situation astounds me really. The parents have even blamed the government for not providing enough money and blame that on the children being removed. This was absolutely not the case- it was not anything to do with finance. They are receiving a huge amount of money in benefits and I’m surprised the hmrc haven’t joined up the dots.

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CambsAlways · 08/01/2020 19:08

If this is true it’s disgusting

Mushypeasandchipstogo · 08/01/2020 19:08

I would report, would not think twice about it.

Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 19:09

@fedup21 yes I’m completely sure. I can’t say how I know but I just found out. Proven.

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Festivefrolicsnextyear · 08/01/2020 19:09

She didn’t lose her children, she had them removed.

TheMustressMhor · 08/01/2020 19:10

That really isn't possible, OP.
The foster parents will be claiming child benefit. The DWP doesn't pay it to two people.

clpsmum · 08/01/2020 19:11

How do you know which benefits they receive???

Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 19:13

@Cornettoninja that’s exactly how I feel. Honestly this lady in particular is just having a miserable life. I’d love her to get a job and try to make something for herself. Now I have found out she is in receipt of all these benefits it just seems less likely that she will change. And she honestly wastes all of the money. But it is so tragic that I could not report her.

I thought she was doing badly because she had always used the children’s money and their removal meant her lost income. To find she still has the income but is not managing at all is shocking. She doesn’t pay bills etc.

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Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 19:15

This is possible. And this is happening. Most definitely.

But thanks for not piling in on me. I feel so mean spirited. Just very shocked.

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TheMustressMhor · 08/01/2020 19:15

She honestly wastes all of the money

Does she?

How the fuck do you know what she spends her money on?

Keep your nose to yourself. Presumably this woman spends her money on food and bills.

Keepmewarm · 08/01/2020 19:16

They will have a massive shock when HMRC catch up with them! And they will have to pay it all back.
Probably kinder to report sooner rather than later.

TheMustressMhor · 08/01/2020 19:17

I feel so mean-spirited

But not mean-spirited enough to avoid starting a thread to demonstrate your pearl-clutching reaction to what you think is happening.

I am bewildered about how you discovered this financial information anyway.

Hadtoask · 08/01/2020 19:18

@Keepmewarm that’s what I’m thinking. It’s a massive amount. But maybe they wouldn’t have to pay it back. They may be looked on kindly. It is a very sad situation.

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Stronger2020 · 08/01/2020 19:18

On Mumsnet, benefit fraud is totally ok and you should never report it.

Peterspotter · 08/01/2020 19:20

Losing the kids clearly wasn’t a big enough shock to them to them was it.

So the government will be paying twice for those children.

In this case I’d report it.

LakieLady · 08/01/2020 19:20

The foster parents will be claiming child benefit. The DWP doesn't pay it to two people.

I'm fairly sure that foster parents can't claim child benefit. The fostering fees that they receive are supposed to cover the costs of caring for the children, so no need for it.

Peterspotter · 08/01/2020 19:20

They won’t be looked on kindly at all.

LaurieFairyCake · 08/01/2020 19:21

This scenario is possible but it is VERY clearly benefit fraud

this is NOTHING like the usual Mumsnet thread where people (like me) come on and not really care about it as they HAVE children living with them who would be affected.

This couple don't have children so it is very clearly fraud.

(Foster carers don't get child benefit btw - so it wouldn't have been picked up through that)

Queenofheartsnomore · 08/01/2020 19:21

I know of a couple this happened to. They kept receiving ctc for 8 months after the dc was removed but then they had to pay it all back. £1600