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Sister, niece, and the new boyfriend

77 replies

RossPoldarksWife · 07/01/2020 12:22

Until recently, my mum, sister and her family lived a considerable distance from me. In the last 3 years I have holidayed near them. So I can see my mum for two weeks and I pick my niece up to holiday with us and our daughter , both 15yrs.
My step dad died in Feb last year. Mum made the decision to move back home to where the rest of our family are. She’s been here since July.
Sister is divorced for couple years, and has to sell family home. She’s coming home too.
In Dec 2018 my niece had to move schools, she was due to start her GCSE in Sept 2019. She wanted to come here, start school and stay with me until her mum moved up. Sister was adamant no. Even though it would mean starting one school then moving to another in say a year.
Then her new boyfriend starting being more of a regular thing. Niece does not like him. Did not help him slapping her on the bottom the first couple of times he visited. He swears a lot. Niece face timed her cousin lot. So I would hear what was upsetting her and would try to smooth things over.
Suddenly in Feb 2019, sister decides that niece can come up. Will I sort out school etc. Niece is to move in with mum, until sister moves up.
So, roll on 6mths, niece extremely happy, mum loves her new home etc.
Sister announces that boyfriend will be moving in and coming with them when they move. Niece very upset, her mum knows she does not like him. Feels like she has been shipped out of the way, so boyfriend can move in. Sister won’t talk to niece about it. Says she’s 50yrs old and can make her own decisions and won’t be told what to do by her daughter.
Mum and I very much in the middle. Quite happy to still look after niece between us.
Sister lives with her 2 adult sons and now boyfriend. None of the males work. This concerns mum and I . Just doesn’t sit right. She rarely contacts her daughter, once a week and couple of texts. Niece is getting less and less bothered about her mum. Niece has realised since being here that her home life was not what it should have been. Being left from 7am until 10pm, not knowing where he mum was. Ignored by her brothers. Her mum always putting the brothers first. But very controlling with niece.
I have tried to talk to my sister about my nieces feelings and about our concerns with the boyfriend but she won’t listen. Defends the men in her life every time.
I have never met the boyfriend, even though in the last 2yrs I’ve spent about 8 weeks there. We arrange a meet and he always has an excuse not to come. Every time. I do doubt what he says he’s done in the past, he says he has had an amazing career In the paras and police force, but there is no evidence of this.
I don’t know what my AIBU is, but I would like some advice as to how to move forward.

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MatildaTheCat · 07/01/2020 13:55

Just continue to love and care for your DN. I wouldn’t want any contact with your sister but obviously you have to have some so it would be bare minimum.

Reassure DN that she has a home with you for as long as she wants it.

AlternativePerspective · 07/01/2020 13:58

Oh I wouldn’t go with the softly softly approach on this one. I would tell your niece that she doesn’t have to move back in with her mum and no court in the land will make her do so at fifteen.

I would then tell your sister that she’s a shit parent who clearly has no concern for anyone but herself and that niece won’t be moving in with her or her creepy BF who is quite clearly a liar and God knows what else.

you say that the ex has an injunction out against him, and now your sister is with another creep? Has the woman learned nothing?

I don’t know the ins and outs of who Claire’s law can trace for people i.e. because you’re not a partner whether you would be entitled to information, but I’d certainly look into it. Not that I imagine your sister will pay attention anyway if something is found.

Winterinthecity · 07/01/2020 13:59

OP - why does your sister want her daughter with her when they move? doesn't sound much like this.

I know a woman who lost custody of her DDs for many years until she moved away and discovered that if her DDs lived with her she'd be entitled to apply to the housing dept for a larger house, so she got 2 of her DDs to live with her, as well as her other DD from another relationship. No idea if her plan worked or not and hope this isn't your sister's plan.

Molly2016 · 07/01/2020 14:00

I would have thought the bottom slapping and the suspicion about his past would be enough to make an application. There does not have to be domestic violence to make a request and this can be done by close relations.
Whether your sister is ready to listen is another matter.
You are doing the right thing by protecting your niece. She is the priority.
www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/daa/domestic-abuse/alpha/request-information-under-clares-law/

Sister, niece, and the new boyfriend
NoMorePoliticsPlease · 07/01/2020 14:03

If he was discharged injured he would have a pension

Ilady · 07/01/2020 14:03

You did the right thing getting your niece out of that situation. I know woman who are like her mother. All that matters to them is having a boyfriend like a teenaged girl. Along with this they never seem to learn from past mistakes regarding men, ignore the red flags and refuse to listen to anyone who express concern about him.
Now her daughter is happy living with your mother because she is in a stable environment and does not have to put up with her mother putting the boyfriend 1st.
I would do what my own summer said because I think the boyfriend is hiding something and perhaps the mother needs to be made aware of his past history.

diddl · 07/01/2020 14:05

I'm afraid my first thought about why she would want her daughter there centred around making sure that the boyfriend sticks around.

RossPoldarksWife · 07/01/2020 14:07

Molly2016.

Thank you I will definitely look into this.

Winters the city.

Because “ she’s MY daughter not yours” is what we are told.
Possibly to do with the extra income of tax credits, child allowance, and of course the court ruling that she would get 70% of the house sale because the daughter is a minor living with her.

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DishingOutDone · 07/01/2020 14:08

Thank god she has you and her Gran, that poor girl. I hear of so many horrible stories of 'stepdads' at DD's school - she's 16 now, some of her friends desperate to move out. When is your niece 16?

Yes I reckon your sister will want her back to claim benefits. You are doing all the right things and glad you took a view from local police. Next thing you know your sister will be making you out to be the abusive one Sad

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/01/2020 14:09

"I enquired at the local police, they say she is old enough to decide where she wants to live, and basically her mother cannot force her to move."
Fantastic!

"I really can’t see my sister agreeing to fostering her. She really wants her daughter back with her when they move."
Does she? Why? She's not bothering to keep in touch with her daughter and is happily getting on without her, so why would she really want her back under her roof? The cynic in me wonders if her boyfriend is prompting this .

Why is she moving? I know you said she has to sell family home, but how long has this 'sale' been going on? At least a year, since your niece moved here in anticipation of the move. But she's been wherever-she-is for a while, and her two sons and boyfriend presumably regard it as home? Why would they want to move nearer to you, don't they have friends and a life there?

I think what I'm suggesting is - is there any chance you could persuade your sister (or the three satellite males) that they'd prefer to stay put?

DishingOutDone · 07/01/2020 14:10

Cross posted - she's going to go ballistic if she gets wind of losing that lot. Be prepared OP, both you and your Mum. I take my hat off to you protecting your niece, I wish my DDs had family like that (apart from me ifyswim!)

rockinmum · 07/01/2020 14:10

If you’re on Facebook, have a look at the Walter Mitty hunters Club, they regularly out people claiming military history when it’s all false. He might already have been outed on there, but if not you can message them and they have ways of checking his history, especially with the Paras

annielennoxstuckinmyhead · 07/01/2020 14:12

Haven't even read the full thread yet but the paras? Yuck. I divorced one, also a son with him. Never met a nice para in that time.

sprite25 · 07/01/2020 14:21

Judging by how your sister has treated your neice in the past, I'd say she only wants her back because she can see that she is happy and settled with you and your mum, therefore she hasn't got that level of control over her daughter anymore. Basically she wants her back to make her as miserable as she probably is.

pumpkinpie01 · 07/01/2020 14:22

@RossPoldarksWife I had a vaguely similar situation with my sister last year, choosing men and making stupid life style choices over the welfare of her children. My niece lived with me for nearly 3 months. I remember my sister saying exactly what yours has said - 'She's my daughter not yours' . I would just keep contact low with your sister so as not to cause big rows as that could then upset your niece.

RossPoldarksWife · 07/01/2020 14:23

WhereYouLeftIt.

She has to move, house is to be divided between her and ex.
House went up recently. She wants to move here because all the family are here. Weirdly, although she is alienating herself from us, she can’t bear to be left out. She’s always lived within a few miles of mum, all to herself. She can’t stand mum being a mile from me and my older sister.
She’s been “abandoned by us” And of course her daughter goes to school here now.
The sons and boyfriend have no reason to stay there really. Better chances of employment here!!

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AcrossthePond55 · 07/01/2020 14:24

I think you and your mum need to see a family solicitor to find out the exact legal position.

It's all well and good the police saying she can't be made to go back, but that may not be what the law actually says.

crustycrab · 07/01/2020 14:25

Hehe, always ex paras and police aren't they Grin

RossPoldarksWife · 07/01/2020 14:29

DishingOutDone.
That’s another whole thread completely, when the ex finds out the boyfriend has moved in.
And the daughter has moved out.
She no longer is entitled to 70%, just 50%.

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palomapear · 07/01/2020 14:32

Ive nothing to add that hasn't been said but I'm the parent of teenagers so I know how vital stability and support is at these years.
A big pat on the back for you and your mum! Good luck!

JKScot4 · 07/01/2020 14:34

If niece has been with your DM 6mths? How is her dad not aware of this? I’d be making sure he knows so his grabby ex only gets her 50%, her DD isn’t a cash cow to have around when it suits her.

Keepmewarm · 07/01/2020 14:38

Your sister sounds like my mum. She’s still doing it now.

RossPoldarksWife · 07/01/2020 14:38

JKScot4.

Injunction against him. No contact.
Don’t know where he is......... unfortunately.

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JKScot4 · 07/01/2020 14:47

SM search? It’s surprisingly easy to find people.

mbosnz · 07/01/2020 14:47

Your sister sounds like one of my sisters - and she's exactly the same, the boys can do no wrong, and the girl never does a thing right.

Sadly for my niece, my sister went to live in another country many thousands of miles away. So we didn't know what was going on, and weren't able to be there for my niece, in the way you and your Mum are being there for yours. Her life would have been so much different, poor wee lass. She might have been able to escape the cycle.