To think that fucking cartoons on cereal boxes aren't what's making children overweight and parents just need to say no to their kids?

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Ffs, what are they going to do next, get rid of all sweets and chocolate in case the kids pester their parents?

yet 30 years ago, most children walked

30 years ago you were more likely to be in walking distance of the school you went to.

30 years ago you were less likely to have a mum who needed to get to work on time.

30 years ago, roads were quieter and safer.

30 years ago, I wouldn’t have eaten salad as a kid either. I don’t ever recall having salad in school meals. It was stodgy, over cooked slop.

A lot has changed

No - I did not mean kids with SEN and forgot this is MN so would be trotted out as an excuse for everything.

But when it was mentioned that my own son does actually have ASC.

I am talking about children who don’t have issues being allowed to be as fussy as.

Poor, lazy and ineffective parenting is the cause of a lot of the problems.

I did not mean kids with SEN and forgot this is MN so would be trotted out as an excuse for everything

Careful now, your true colours are showing.

Any referral into children’s services which isn’t safeguarding or SEN related gets referred to a parenting course.

@MrsBrentford feel free to report as a TAAT but it DOES highlight the recurring theme of you thinking you're a cut above.

No, the person should not have been rude to the staff at the food bank, that behaviour is rarely acceptable. Although, can I ask you, in what capacity were you there? Because honestly I dread to think you're involved in social care of any kind.

You have such an "I'm alright Jack" mentality it's astounding.

I did not make a sweeping statement about all food bank users WTAF?

I said I have witnessed it, not everyone I have ever seen in a is a fussy prick.

Do you volunteer in a food bank @MrsBrentford? I thought you would have more empathy and more understanding if you do?

You've not been able to answer any of the points as to how you cook from scratch with a limited food bag (the list I posted) or with only a microwave? Just because this petson has more than a microwave - you must know lots can't afford the fuel for an oven or only have a microwave available?

Any referral into children’s services which isn’t safeguarding or SEN related gets referred to a parenting course.

@MrsBrentford - you mean in your area or everywhere? It's not true everywhere.

I suspect a lot of it is lack of exercise..
When I was younger (aged from early primary school age to starting high school) there was a group of around 8 of us all lived within a 5 minute walk of each other. EVERY day, come rain or shine we would be playing out, on bikes, skateboards, rollerblades.. playing in the woods on tree swings and building dens. We used to play out for hours, especially in the holidays. I still have family on the same street I used to play on and there's not one child plays in the woods I used to spend hours in. It's a pretty safe area, low crime. I'm not that old so it's not like its been decades and I'm talking about back in the 50's. I reckon technology has a lot to answer for when it comes to obesity in people of all ages, a lot of us are simply lazy.

In my area.

Some people have really shitty lives which involve poverty, neglect, domestic abuse and things which are not within their control.

Some people are lazy, crap parents who take responsibility for nothing and expect school and the local authority to parent their children.

It’s an uncomfortable truth.

@mrsbrentford - what's the rationale for that then? What would happen if they didn't do the parenting course?

where my DM lives you would need to walk 1.5 miles to the nearest bus stop, catch one of the two buses a day going to a large enough town to have an Aldi (or any large supermarket), spend about £6 plus kids' fares on the bus each way. Come back on the return bus in the evening.

Presumably delivery would be cheaper. There can't be that many areas in the UK so rural that supermarkets don't even deliver, can there?

It's not about where they deliver, as I said in my previous post, it's more about having that initial outlay available to do that, and also the method of payment. After a relationship where I was landed with several debts, I wasn't allowed a debit card because of my credit rating. With one ATM that was in the shop in the next village, that wasn't much fun. If the ATM ran out of money then I was screwed buying anything.
You also end up in the cycle of having to buy the food and paying over the odds, therefore having nothing to save for a 'big shop' and the minimum spend for delivery. Weekly pay/benefits are good for those who can't budget well, but it means you buy your groceries as you get the money - a bit at a time.
I'm thankfully not in this situation now, but I was, even down to only being able to get broadband last year, so relied on mobile data PAYG - most of which DD used for homework.
It's expensive being poor. I've paid off a few debts, got promoted at work and increased my earnings and slowly getting back on track, and I'm noticing how having access to things I once took for granted like a debit card, more than £50 at a time in my bank account and the ability to lay out on a grocery delivery is saving money in the long run, but a couple of years ago I didn't have access to those things that gave me the ability to look forward and be able to do that. I'm lucky that I landed a job with people who knew me and knew my potential and allowed me to do that, round here a job is a bonus, especially full time, never mind one with prospects.

It's not always a case of just saying no.

Oh and as for pleading poverty and feeding kids McDonald's....... McDonald's is in the same place as Aldi so we don't go there either! There's a few take aways locally though, we don't eat them but they wouldn't be open if they didn't get business.
I told my DD no an awful lot in those days, and yes honestly if something like Coco pops was £2 for a big box that would last more than a week Vs Weetabix at £2.50 that would last less than a week, the sugar content or the character on the box was much less important than the fact my DD actually had something for breakfast.

If parents are looking for referral for diagnosis they have to be referral by SENCO and complete a parenting course before assessment (not always fair).

If it’s safeguarding they have no choice, if it’s CIN they don’t have to but it doesn’t look good, if it’s Early Intervention the normally drift in and out of services (and complain they have been given no support from services).

Can we just get to the main point that it is also because most of a generation of people, and an upcoming generation, think that 'cooking' is bunging some premade shit in the oven, or beans on toast, rather than you know... Actually fucking cooking!

You know why the shit spouted at slimming world works for most? Because people are cooking from scratch without all the added shite in half ready and ready meals.

If you cook from scratch, and cook properly, and then eat intuitively then it's highly unlikely you will ever be obese without a medical condition being the cause! There were still fat kids and families even with rationing. Sometimes it is just genetics. But 98% of the time? No. Just people who are lazy in one way or another, be it with self control or with actual cooking.

People don’t usually like to be signposted to a parenting course.

They feel like they have been given a sticker saying “I am a shit parent”.

I think parenting courses are brilliant and need to be rebranded (I did one years ago and part of my job is now running them) and empower people to have more confidence in parenting their children.

Some people are lazy, crap parents who take responsibility for nothing and expect school and the local authority to parent their children.

That's not the fault of the children, this is the reason why we have intervention services.

@Hoik

Please tell me where I said it is the fault of the children

@freddiefatpants - good to hear things are getting better! I know what you mean when you are struggling you are glad your DC have anything to eat - let alone what it is and if it is the healthiest option. When a PP spoke about accidently buying a sugary cereal and then throwing it away - it did kill me a little bit! We got Blueberry wheats from the foodbank the other week, though so we can be all superior and healthy!

@MrsBrentford - oh it was just you said if it isn't safeguarding or SEN. Makes more sense if it is CP but yes SEN doesn't make sense unless it was a SEN course.

2 adults 2 small kids in our house.

We had roast chicken one night. There was one breast left, which I added to a pasta bake (which had loads of other bits and bobs in to bulk it out)

I am a domestic fucking angel so I also made some stock out of the carcass.

So I doubt it'd make another entire meal for 4 folk, but it can definitely contribute towards.

There is no SEN course until you have a diagnosis.

You have to do the course to get an assessment for diagnosis.

It’s frustrating for parents who have a child where there is an obvious issue.

They have to take time off work to do a pointless course (for them) it’s shit.

The problem with things like Early Intervention is their criteria can be so specific that I don't blame some for saying they gave no support...as they often don't get support for the things they really need help with.

it's more about having that initial outlay available to do that, and also the method of payment.

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This. A Costco card is £50 - it'll save you a heap, but only as long as you can afford that plus the cost of 24 toilet rolls at a time. Whereas a corner shop will charge you £2 for a bog roll

No - the problem for Early Intervention teams is that they deal with everything that isn’t safeguarding (and things that are).

They don’t get an chance to do any Early Intervention because they are basically treated like what were Social Work assistants.

They can’t push anything up to CP because there is a huge lack of social workers because they are leaving in droves and there is a recruitment freeze in Early Intervention.

@UndertheCedartree

Thank you, it was soul destroying at the start of my 'new life' to be in a bare floor home, unable to afford to heat it and buying anything that was in the reduced section and trying to make a meal out of it. And doing that while I worked ft too.
It does get better, I'm thankful that my health is good enough to allow me to work the hours I do, to earn what I do, I know some are not so fortunate.
But yes, I think some people can't grasp that these situations exist, because it's a scary concept. It's easier to have a one size fits all 'lazy' view on it rather than admit that our society is very divisive.