To think this is worrying step forward?

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A teacher has been struck off for being filmed by a student while drunk in public half naked. The video was then posted online. He also abused a paramedic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-teacher-fired-underwear-video-pupil-police-facebook-a9267896.html

I'm not the type to get naked and drunk but AIBU to think it is worrying that he hasn't just lost his job but been barred from the profession?

the whole social media is a terrible invasion of privacy, you park your car badly and someone puts it on facebook, you fall over in the street and someone puts it on facebook.

Have you read the article? He failed to disclose that he’d been charged. That’s not a momentary lapse of judgement. There were other conduct rules he’d fallen foul of too.

I work in a GP surgery doing admin, and elsewhere in the NHS previously, and I’m sure it’s always been in my contract that if I were ever to be arrested I need to report it immediately to my line manager, and if you were felt to be bringing the Trust, or the practice into disrepute this was gross misconduct. I know a nurse who got into an awful lot of trouble with work and the NMC for getting into a fight when drunk.

however you fail to mention the rest of the article, he abused a paramedic and was arrested and did not inform the school, so the underwear shenanigans are just for titillation of the readers

cross posts with @PullingMySocksUp

I would be investigated by my trust and possibly my regulator for similar nudity in public.

I would defo be investigated by my regulator for an alcohol dependency problem and be placed on leave.

I would likely be struck off the register for abusing a paramedic.

There is more to this than he had a drunk night out with the lads and got a bit leery.

Oh and failure to disclose would be a sackable and deregistering event as well.

So he works with kids and failed to disclose that he had been arrested. Yeah, of course he had to get sacked.

The teacher thing is a red herring.

Most professionals would be without a job after behaviour like that. Bring the company or profession into disrepute would be classed as gross misconduct anywhere I have ever worked

I would get the sack for that

I agree with the outcome. It looks like he could get his teaching career back on track though if he proved he has sought recovery.

If the incident hadn't been seen by a student would it have been

He was convicted. It would have come up next time he renewed his DBS. And then he would have been sacked for not telling his employees about his conviction,

There is a principle to be questioned, this is not a good example though.
Employers need to be sensible, fair and realistic, and best in mind social media bullying when material comes to light.

I'd lose my job for being pissed in the street abusing a paramedic too. He also failed to disclose he'd been charged and violated 6 separate teacher codes of conduct. I'm not sure what the concern is tbh, it's a pretty clearcut case of not being fit to teach at present, and he's been given a chance to get his career back if he sorts himself out.

agree with @BlouseAndSkirt

Teachers know that they have to behave in a certain way at all times as to not being the job into disrepute. He should have considered this and should have been open to his HT when charged with abusing the paramedic.

Part of the deal for working in the finance sector (where I am anyway) is being fit and proper at all times.

So yes I can have a personal and private life. However if that spills over into drunken brawling/public lewdness and generally bringing the company I work through into disrepute I’d be struck off (and lose my licence and not be allowed to practice as the FCA would also be involved)

Same for social workers

in fact, working in finance, do you have to have a very good banking record also?

Breached the Conduct Code in 6 ways, found guilty in court and fined... The whole point is that the teaching role demands that you are not seen by pupils drunk, inappropriately dressed and abusing emergency services, precisely in case students do see you!

They did, that is bad, so it is fair that he be sacked.

If he got drunk in his pants in his own home and a spying pupil filmed him through his window, it would be a different matter.

I don't think it was anything to do with the video.

In general I believe teachers should be able to live normal lives without the worry that a pupil will video them if they do something a bit 'silly'. I'm in a fairly visible job myself - so I am always careful what I put on SM for example - sometimes I would love to have a go at some people and then I rein it in thinking it doesn't look good if a client or employee sees it.

However in this case he was paralytic- and more importantly- abusing paramedics. It also sounds like this wasn't an isolated incident - there were already concerns - and he was also charged. I can't see that they could do anything else? He obviously needs some help. Also it says he's not barred permanently he can re-apply in the future.

It's a bit different from a teacher having one too many on a night out and falling off the table imo.

It's in our Staff Code of Conduct. That we are not to bring the school into disrepute/ not broadcast our political views/ not take part in any marches etc, so something of this level would definitely get me sacked/ struck off.

Equally my DP who is paramedic.

It's the same in the majority of professions who are regulated by a regulator e.g. nurses, doctors, pharmacists.... and rightly so. In fact someone from our regulatory body now goes in to universities and speaks to 1st year students to make them aware that their actions in their personal lives could mean that they won't be able to join the professional register or that they could be struck off later in life. We have had people being struck off because they have been found to be using cocaine in their own personal time.

OP, do you honestly think a teacher would have any credibility in trying to maintain standards of behaviour in class having been watched by young people flailing about drunk, in his pants, and abusing emergency services?

This is the very reason it is against the code!

I have lots of teacher friends and they al go out and get pissed. Sometimes we leave bars because there’s a parent in there and that’s fine and sensible imo, though it’s mostly so they don’t approach them because they always bloody do.

This is a totally different kettle of fish imo and yeah he deserved to lose his job, not sure about the struck off part but he must have broken some rule on there that he will have been aware of during his training.

There’s lots of things I’d be struck off for, so I don’t do them, it’s not hard.

YABU. The kid should have repercussions for posting the video online because that's malicious, but:

The teacher was arrested for assaulting a paramedic and failed to disclose this.

That in itself is awful. People who assault emergency services personnel and hospital staff deserve all the repercussions they get.

As a finance director, and qualified accountant, I am fairly sure I would have to report getting ccj and would lose qualification for becoming bankrupt. So, different circumstances but a similar crossover between personal and work etc