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He’s not his

194 replies

LuckyAmy1986 · 03/01/2020 17:38

Anyone else noticed a rise in this?
Eg “love Bradley Cooper his so beautiful”. I hate it. AIBU?

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SaphfireRose · 07/01/2020 06:22

I do wonder how many of these so called regionalism/colloquialisms are really just an error due to lack of education. I think writing it off based on region is an excuse, to be honest. It is more likely to be lack of education and people who use it genuinely think it is right, and simply weren't taught.

charlestonchaplin · 07/01/2020 07:00

BillHaders Posts with lots of spelling mistakes or grammatical errors don’t actually bother me, in general. I just tend to think that for whatever reason that person hasn’t been able to take good advantage of the education system and their use of English is probably the least of their concerns.

It’s posts that have generally good English but certain characteristic errors that suddenly seem to be used more widely that annoy me. I think what annoys me is that I think many people are not confident with their English so they copy what other people do. This, in conjunction with the internet etiquette of not correcting the grammar in posts means (I think) that these mistakes tend to mushroom. I just wish I could say something sometimes, perhaps privately, but I can’t and that’s probably what irks me.

Equanimitas · 07/01/2020 07:12

I used to be very unsympathetic to people who posted on social media with lots of spelling mistakes. Until I had a child with dyslexia that is

I too have a child with dyslexia, which is why I can tell that very often when someone claims to be dyslexic when corrected they're talking bollocks. I hate it when people try to claim a disability they haven't got.

Equanimitas · 07/01/2020 07:12

Notice how you never see it the other way around, like "he's car"?

You do, in fact - I've seen that one quite often.

charlestonchaplin · 07/01/2020 07:47

CatteStreet
The usage of 'bring'/'take' you dislike so much (also found in international English, btw, as a transference from speakers' native languages) doesn't render the content incomprehensible. Your long explanations of why they are 'wrong' just smack a little of snobbery and linguistic colonialism, I'm afraid.

Linguistic colonialism? What does that mean? I learnt to speak English in Africa. You can advance-search my posts. I don’t talk much about my background but I’m sure I’ve posted the odd thing about my life in an African boarding school. I lived here for three years when I was a child and when I returned to the U.K. one of the things that surprised me was how the standard of English compared to that among well-educated people in the African country. I’ve seen comments on this website that lead me to believe that other people have noticed this where other countries are concerned.

The African country I am referring to isn’t the Republic of South Africa or any other country with a significant white population. I’m talking black middle-class Africans. I couldn’t understand the disparity, when education here is free at the point of delivery. So you can accuse me of being stiff and long-winded with my English (guilty) but I reject the linguistic colonialism charge.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 07/01/2020 11:08

Also going to dump these here:
Discreet vs discrete - keep seeing "pop him a note discretely" and the like. Argh!

Rediculous...... Sorry!

CatteStreet · 07/01/2020 18:14

But charleston, you are dismissing a usage that occurs widely/typically in a non-British English context (in Ireland, which has plenty of experience of English colonial attitudes) as 'wrong'. I'm assuming an influence of Irish on the usage (not because I know any Irish but because I know other European languages whose 'bring' equivalent covers both 'bring' and 'take'), which makes your complaint all the more 'colonial' in nature.

PorpentinaScamander · 07/01/2020 18:23

My ex dps wife uses "R" not "I'll" in text messages. It took me ages to work out who "R" was and why they were picking my children up late!
And he's or should that be his has either started doing it too, or she messages pretending to be him!

A common one I've seen on local FB drama llama pages is " deepol" as in
"Can I change my baby's surname?"
"Yes you need a deepol"

CatteStreet · 07/01/2020 18:28

It's speech directly into text, isn't it? I bet these people understand the correct versions when they read them, and possibly even use the correct ones when they need to write formally. It seems to be what txt spk used to be - a habit of informal/social media communication. I'm not saying it's not a bit grim, but I think it's more complex than 'people are thickies'.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 07/01/2020 19:05

It's speech directly into text, isn't it?

Is it? Surely, 'he's' is pronounced 'heez' and 'his' is pronounced 'hiz' - is it not?

Maybe it's a regional thing, but I always think the same with people who write 'ares' when they mean 'ours'. Apart from the fact that it makes no sense at all to add an 's' on the end of 'are', I would say 'are' to sound like the letter 'r' and 'our' the same as the word 'hour'.

CatteStreet · 07/01/2020 19:46

I think some speakers do shorten the 'e' in 'he's', and some don't make that much distinction between 'are' and 'our'.

LadyOfTheCanyon · 08/01/2020 10:53

But in the case of someone saying - for example "Trickle Treating" -if written down rather than just spoken( which would make me think they have little to no reading or writing skill) how can they have never seen Trick or treat written down in the copious amount of displays and packaging in shops around the Halloween period?

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 08/01/2020 11:07

"Trickletreat" reminds me of when my children were pre-schoolers, at the first Hallowe'en where they understood what was going on. They used to say "trickletreat". It was adorable. Grin

Not so cute with an adult though.

ProfessorSlocombe · 08/01/2020 11:14

It's ironic really ... before Johnson and his sodding dictionary, spelling and usage of English was pretty fluid. There were several spellings and forms (I vaguely recall even Chaucer used different spellings).

Then we had a brief period of Language Facism - everything was proscribed, prescribed "right" or "wrong".

Now we're (albeit slowly) returning to the mire from whence we came with varietal spellings and grammar and usage. It would be quite funny if in 100 years, English has degenerated into so many dialects and flavours it's no longer able to act as a lingua franca ...

PumpkinCounty · 08/01/2020 11:28

Apart from the fact that it makes no sense at all to add an 's' on the end of 'are', I would say 'are' to sound like the letter 'r' and 'our' the same as the word 'hour'

People pronounce "our" the same as "are" where I live.
They also say "want" (usually written 'wont') for "wasn't".

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 08/01/2020 11:31

It's ironic really ... before Johnson and his sodding dictionary, spelling and usage of English was pretty fluid. There were several spellings and forms (I vaguely recall even Chaucer used different spellings).

Was I the only one who saw the first eight words and assumed it would be (probably justifiably) critical of another well-known man called Johnson?!

Even the original Mr Johnson, for all of his linguistic skills, was fallible - imagine having never heard of a sausage Grin

Zaphodsotherhead · 08/01/2020 11:39

I sometimes edit books and am not so much horrified by the number of (often pre-published, but sometimes already traditionally published) authors who write 'she was sat' but they then act upset when I correct it.

It's fine (just about) in speech or colloquial writing, but when it's about to be unleashed on the general public - just no.

DimplesMcGee · 08/01/2020 18:27

it's also a regionalism/colloquialism I can't get worked up about, tbh.

I’d never have any issues with regional colloquialisms in speech - indeed, I’m very Lancastrian when I’m speaking! I personally would avoid them when writing, however.

DimplesMcGee · 08/01/2020 18:36

I think “he’s” instead of “his” is used when people know that apostrophes denote possession but don’t actually understand how that works - like mixing up “your” and “you’re” or “its” and “it’s”. I can see how it seems counterintuitive, if you’re aware that apostrophes indicate possession in a sentence such as “David’s bike was very expensive” that you wouldn’t then be correct to write “It’s wheels were solid gold”. Lots of people don’t know how to differentiate between apostrophes used in contractions and to indicate possession (and am I right in remembering from English Language lessons as school that in Middle English, possession would be demoted by “es”, so ultimately the apostrophe there is to denote a contraction as well?)

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