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to think rising levels of neuro diverse children in society is partly due to rising ages of pregnant mothers?

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staydazzling · 03/01/2020 11:29

im not condeming anything here btw, i would like to make that clear. and i know this may not go down well on here, donning hard hat but whenever theres discussions about how neurological diversity in children has risen ASD, ADHD etc in society, the conversion is often about MMR Hmm Ipads Hmm or diet, discipline etc which of course all important variables but i feel its unhelpful that a lot of would be mothers are not informed of the risk past 35, of downs syndrome, autism etc, its obviously much better financially to be older and have a family. aibu to feel its the elephant inthe room regarding rising levels of children with ASD, ADHD, Etc??

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Oliversmumsarmy · 06/01/2020 17:58

You think your own limited knowledge and experience of dyslexia and processing issues means you know whether or not your friends child has them. It doesn't

But the mum admitting it does

Devereux1 · 06/01/2020 18:05

NewYearNewJob123
You think your own limited knowledge and experience of dyslexia and processing issues means you know whether or not your friends child has them. It doesn't.

What about when the teenagers and their parents openly state that they have faked the tests and lied about the declarations?

pourmorewine · 06/01/2020 18:10

Devereux1. Why are you continuing to post such nonsense about dyslexia and extra time? A diagnosis of dyslexia doesn't lead to any exam arrangements at GCSE and A level - a qualifying score is needed alongside evidence of usual way of working in the classroom. If you really believe what these people have apparently told you about their children 'faking' dyslexia to gain exam concessions then you are very gullible.

pourmorewine · 06/01/2020 18:11

How exactly are these teenagers faking evidence of usual way of working in the classroom?

Devereux1 · 06/01/2020 18:12

pourmorewine
Devereux1. Why are you continuing to post such nonsense about dyslexia and extra time? A diagnosis of dyslexia doesn't lead to any exam arrangements at GCSE and A level

Given that you clearly haven't read or understood the posts, I can't even begin to reply to your nonsense about something not said.

Iamatwatofthehighest · 06/01/2020 18:14

No Devereaux1 I'd welcome 'facts' and not just your claim that students and parents are faking SEN and getting extra time in exams despite the fact it's been pointed out repeatedly that isn't easy to do and evidence of 'significant and persistent difficulty' needs to be provided in a time consuming application to the Joint Council for Qualifications.

Please provide me with these 'facts' of which you speak. You would surely be able to name the school committing fraud and/or the SEN professionals giving invalid diagnoses and report them given your level of 'facts'?

Or is this a bit like your earlier 'factual' claim that you know several senior MH professionals and because of that, it's a 'fact' that ADHD isn't at all genetic when it is an actual, researched genuine fact that it is.

You seem to claim a lot of 'facts' that have no actual basis. Why is that?

Devereux1 · 06/01/2020 18:14

How exactly are these teenagers faking evidence of usual way of working in the classroom?

Any arrangements made must reflect the support that the candidate has had in the past few years.

Hmm
WheelchairWoes · 06/01/2020 18:15

You are being very unreasonable considering it's because in the old days they never cared to find out what was wrong with people and just institutionalized them

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 06/01/2020 18:32

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NewYearNewJob123 · 06/01/2020 18:37

Oliversmumsarmy: Sorry, I didn't realise there were so many professionals being easily conned by Mums that are able to schòol their children to 'fake' difficulties that professional assessors would be unable to detect.

You said this:

"Dd apart from being ADD is also very dyslexic with slow processing problems.

Ds (ADHD) otoh also has dyslexia but it shows in a completely different way"

If it's the case you assert that assessors are easily conned or corrupt, how can you be sure that YOUR childrens diagnoses are accurate but others not?

Surely this very common (in your view) occurence of children being misdiagnosed must make you question your childrens diagnoses? They're either experienced professionals using standardised tests which make it unlikely to receive an invalid diagnosis or stupid and possibly corrupt individuals who talk bollocks.

Which is it?

Emmapeeler1 · 06/01/2020 18:46

I would personally hazard an uneducated guess that
a) it’s just diagnosed more
b) older women have had babies since circa the beginning of time.

hazeyjane · 06/01/2020 18:54

"Any arrangements made must reflect the support that the candidate has had in the past few years.
Hmm"

There is a good link here explaining how this works from the JCQ www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/access-arrangements-and-special-consideration..."Access Arrangements are pre-examination adjustments for candidates based on evidence of need and normal way of working."

And another from Contact....
"For extra time, a candidate will need evidence such as an Education, Health and Care (EHC) plan or a recent assessment showing slow speed of reading, writing or processing".
"In all cases the access arrangement must reflect the pupil's normal way of working. For example, your child won't be allowed a laptop for GCSEs if they have never used one in school. The school should also put arrangements such as extra time in place well in advance for mocks and internal exams."

IPSEA give a good overview of the whole process. ..
www.ipsea.org.uk/help-in-exams

MrsHardbroom · 06/01/2020 18:57

I work in the field and there is very little evidence to support this.

Gillibean · 06/01/2020 19:00

Had my eldest at 25 and he has Aspergers and severe ADHD. Knew there was something from about 9 months

Had my youngest at 32 and so far as we know is completely neurotypicall

Legoandloldolls · 06/01/2020 19:13

There is doubt these neuro diverse SEN are on the rise, diagnosis is just better.

Back in my day kids was just slow, lazy, clumsy, angry. Now we know it's that simple.

So many factors at play with ASD. In my sons case he has inherited some extra DNA on one of his chromosomes from dh. DHS mum was 21 when she had dh.

Yes maternal age is a factor, and paternal too, but theres no single reason. I just think it's being recognised for what it is more than 20 years ago.

chugmonkey · 06/01/2020 19:34

Op is misinformed. It's Downs Syndrome that becomes an increased risk with increased maternal age. There is no evidence to suggest maternal age has anything to do with ASS or ADHD / ADD.

Oliversmumsarmy · 06/01/2020 19:39

If it's the case you assert that assessors are easily conned or corrupt, how can you be sure that YOUR childrens diagnoses are accurate but others not

Because you only have to speak to Dd about anything new or unfamiliar, instruct her with 2 or 3 instructions and you have lost her.

She is lovely but even she will admit she isn’t the brightest tool in the box. Her spelling is like deciphering anagrams

Ds is very bright. He is excellent at spelling.
Can follow detailed instructions

But cant write legibly, can’t put pen to paper and write anything down barring a few basic words

I think dcs diagnosis is correct.

I do see how children can be coached for a few hours.

It is not like they have to jump through hoops or do the splits or memorise an encyclopaedia
All they have to do is act the part

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