to think rising levels of neuro diverse children in society is partly due to rising ages of pregnant mothers?

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im not condeming anything here btw, i would like to make that clear. and i know this may not go down well on here, donning hard hat but whenever theres discussions about how neurological diversity in children has risen ASD, ADHD etc in society, the conversion is often about MMR Ipads or diet, discipline etc which of course all important variables but i feel its unhelpful that a lot of would be mothers are not informed of the risk past 35, of downs syndrome, autism etc, its obviously much better financially to be older and have a family. aibu to feel its the elephant inthe room regarding rising levels of children with ASD, ADHD, Etc??

Iamatwatofthehighest
Devereux1: No, you said there was a 'nationwide scandal' of students without SEN being given extra time in exams and you've provided no evidence of a) a scandal

You asked for a link. I suggested you google it. Like I said, there are loads of articles out there on it. If you don't believe this, and don't want to believe it, you should have just said. No amount of articles will change your view then will they, so why should I run around doing your research for you?

b) students without SEN being given extra time in exams.
But I have. You don't want to believe it. Bizarre, but there we go.

I started a thread some while ago as in one of dd's A Level classes 15 out of 20 people were getting extra time. Working in a school myself I know that most students are absolutely entitled to extra help. But I also know (told by the area head of SN in fact) that the new "thing" is "slow processing" . It is absolutely true that some parents in the know have grabbed hold of this: it's easier to "pass" (ie fail) any assessment and it's a blanket 25% extra time rather than a sliding scale according to how slow (or not so slow) someone's processing may be.

Nah Devereux1 the burden of proof is on you since it's you making the wild claim. I cannot find of which you speak.

I'll wait for it with baited breath.

Unless you're a troll/GF which you seem to be given you pop up with bullshit and rudeness on numerous threads about mental health or executive functioning disorders.

Which is it?

@SonEtLumiere when I was at primary school in the 80s about 25% of pupils I went to school with had SEN because that school had facilities for those with particular disabilities.

Likewise now certain schools that I know people teach/work in or those with children who have SEN attend are more receptive to having children with SEN at that school than a comparable school where the head does everything to help ensure that children with SEN don't attend their school.

Working in a school myself I know that .... It is absolutely true that some parents in the know have grabbed hold of this: it's easier to "pass" (ie fail) any assessment and it's a blanket 25% extra time rather than a sliding scale according to how slow (or not so slow) someone's processing may be.

Thank you. It really is happening, it really is increasing, but for some bonkers reason some people just don't want to believe it is.

Is OP a neurologist? Didn’t think so, YABU

Iamatwatofthehighest
Nah Devereux1 the burden of proof is on you since it's you making the wild claim

No, the responsibility for you to find articles which from the outset you're not at all interested in reading, is actually on you. Why would anyone else waste their time when you are so predispositioned to not even objectively want to see any evidence? You want it, you run around and look for it.

Devereux1: yep. Troll.

FWIW I googled national scandal and a few choice phrases from your very enjoyable posts and got fuck all results.
Really? Oh dear, sometimes google can be a bit challenging for some.

I will draw my own inferences from that.
You do that petal.

I hardly think it is wild claims to suggest if a certain type of parent is given the opportunity to get extra time in an exam for their child that they don’t take that opportunity up

In dds school which had a propensity for dyslexia I think only 3 in her year didn’t have extra time.
They were the 3 who were the brightest pupils.
Dds school has a reputation for turning out the most amazing people in a certain type of career but anything academic passed them by.

Dd apart from being ADD is also very dyslexic with slow processing problems.

Ds (ADHD) otoh also has dyslexia but it shows in a completely different way

I know as much as I can know about dyslexia

Imagine my surprise when one of my friends very bright dd who I have known for years was suddenly declared as dyslexic with slow processing issues.

A few of dds friends from school that I know I could spot who had processing issues

For Dd when you tell her a few instructions you can tell when her brain is being over loaded. The same with her friends.

Friends Dd you could ream off lists and she would follow them perfectly.
There wasn’t ever any glazing over or blank expressions when you told her to remember anything.

I think it is naive to think people won’t jump on the bandwagon to give their child a better chance

Because it's nothing to do with what the student or their parents being 'given an opportunituy'.

It's an actual process requiring evidence which isn't decided by the student, parent or even the school. It's decided by the Joint Council for Qualifications which as you see below if you download their policies, requires significant effort on behalf of the referrer and significant evidence.

www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/access-arrangements-and-special-consideration

People on this thread seem to think you can just tell someone you have a difficulty and you'll get extra time and it DOES NOT work like that.

Oh, for goodness sake, wake up Iamatwatofthehighest.

It's an actual process requiring evidence
Guess what? Sometimes the process isn't followed like it should be. Guess what? Sometimes the kids know exactly what to do to pretend they can't write normally.
Wake up. Sometimes the evidence is faked. And wake up, sometimes the schools daren't face the upheaval/outrage of challenging these children and their parents for faking their dyslexia.

People on this thread seem to think you can just tell someone you have a difficulty and you'll get extra time and it DOES NOT work like that.
But it does work like that sometimes. It has worked like that. I can tell you as a point of fact, it is working like that in a school where I live right now.

What is so threatening to you about this reality that you will not allow yourself to believe it? It's utterly peculiar of you. Are you one of the faking parents? Have you done this? What's so terrifying for you to acknowledge the reality - told here by me, and other posters including a teacher for crying out loud - that it really, actually, happens?

Iamatwatofthehighest

Of course it’s an opportunity. And anything can be faked.

Only got to page 2.

I have heard this. There is evidence to suggest that older age of parenthood is correlated to autism. But also younger age too.

One of the articles made an interesting point, that it may be that someone with ASD just finds a partner later in life due to the social elements of their condition.

So I think we need to be really careful about conflating the connection.

I did read somewhere that it is possible the NHS guidelines will change to recommend everyone supplements with iodine due to national deficiency in our diets. Someone mentioned iodine at the start of the thread. I don't know what it links to but deficiency is obviously never ideal.

AtomicRabbit
should that invalidate those with SEN the chance for a fairer result based on genuine disability? You seem to think that because some don’t play fair the whole scheme should be scrapped?

Why do you think I seem to think that?

Oliversmumsarmy: Potentially anything can be faked but when we're talking about rigourous assessments with standardised tests which include measures for effort and potential fabrication PLUS the experience of the assessor having seen numerous cases of the difficulty being assessed, it's really not easy to get an invalid diagnosis.

This is along the lines of 'my neighbour/friend/cousin gets PIP for X condition and there's nothing wrong with them'.

Happens very rarely. You think your own limited knowledge and experience of dyslexia and processing issues means you know whether or not your friends child has them. It doesn't.

You think your own limited knowledge and experience of dyslexia and processing issues means you know whether or not your friends child has them. It doesn't.

Why, who said that then?

The fact you keep equating not having dyslexia with 'very bright' demonstrates you don't understand what dyslexia is and how it has no correlation with intellect for a start.

Devereux1: The post is there if you scroll up. You can read it can't you?