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To think there needs to be a word between accident and deliberate?

88 replies

pumpandthump · 31/12/2019 09:46

Like careless but...more?

DH has broken something of mine which can't be replaced. It was deliberate as he didn't set out to break it, but nor was it an accident as whilst fairly unlikely, it could have been predicted.

I'm just angry at him and he thinks it's unjust as "it was accident".

OP posts:
Khione · 31/12/2019 17:31

broken by use of a remote control helicopter

is negligent

that we agreed would not be used in the living room due to the difficulty controlling it and the number of breakable things in there. reckless

Negligent is unthinking it becomes reckless when there is (ignored) awareness of possible consequences.

k1233 · 31/12/2019 22:42

I say again - foreseeable.

He already knew what was likely to happen if the helicopter was flown in the living room. So much so, he agreed not to do it.

The fact he has now done exactly what was expected to happen, makes it foreseeable. Choosing to fly the helicopter was reckless idiocy. The collision with the picture as a result was forseeable, therefore does not absolve him of responsibility.

Which is what accidents basically do. They imply someone wasn't responsible for what happened.

I had the guy who wrote off my car (I was 10 cars back at a red light, I watched him drive about 500m and plough into the back of my car without braking) go " that's why it's called an accident". I gave him a mouthful - he drove into a stationary vehicle. That isn't an accident that's incompetence!

Lifecraft · 31/12/2019 23:07

Which is what accidents basically do. They imply someone wasn't responsible for what happened.

Just not true. The only thing an accident implies is that it wasn't deliberate. It says nothing about blame or responsibility. 99% of accidents are as a result of someone's stupidity. They did something negligent, that ended in a result they didn't intend.

Lifecraft · 31/12/2019 23:09

Accident - someone turns around in an unfamiliar room and coat knocks an unseen vase off a shelf injuring a child

When in an unfamiliar room, and wearing a baggy coat, you need to take care not to damage anything. To not do so is pure negligence. But also and accident.

k1233 · 01/01/2020 00:23

Negligence is not an accident.

"To be negligent is to be neglectful. Negligence is an important legal concept; it's usually defined as the failure to use the care that a normally careful person would in a given situation. Negligence is a common claim in lawsuits regarding medical malpractice, auto accidents, and workplace injuries."

Compared to accident "an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause."

k1233 · 01/01/2020 00:25

Accident - branch falls off tree and hits pedestrian

Negligence - tree being trimmed, no safety barrier, cut branch falls and hits pedestrian

Puta · 01/01/2020 00:36

He flew a remote control helicopter around the living room? What is he - 12?

pallisers · 01/01/2020 00:39

It's a picture, broken by use of a remote control helicopter that we agreed would not be used in the living room due to the difficulty controling it and the number of breakable things in there. The photo has huge sentimental value and is irreplaceable, the frame dropped, the glass smashed and photo scratched and ripped.

he is a plonker and he should be horribly sorry and not whining "it was an accccciddeeent" like a child who knows no better.

It wasn't. He did something that was reasonably foreseable to cause damage to something in the room. I'd be really angry tbh.

BeanTownNancy · 01/01/2020 00:57

It's either deliberate, or it's an accident. It can't be anything else really ... Anything else/any other wording, is just balderdash.

If someone didn't mean to do it (and was careless/clumsy,) then it was an accident.

So, if you drink-drive and kill someone, but you didn't mean to, that's just an accident and shouldn't be manslaughter because it wasn't deliberate? Confused

FWIW, I'm sorry OP. That's really shit. Flowers

SchoolPanicTime · 01/01/2020 01:03

If someone didn't mean to do it (and was careless/clumsy,) then it was an accident.

Total rubbish. An asteroid falling from space and crushing your house is an accident. Burning down your house because you lit fifty candles and fell asleep is reckless.

justilou1 · 01/01/2020 02:23

Treats his things like newborn babies and expects you to follow suit:- treats yours like shit and keeps breaking them and blaming them on “accidents” and expecting you not to be pissed off = gaslighting and fuckwittery.
(*might be dealing with similar behaviour at home. Am tempted to start destroying old sporting trophies that are clogging up my house and looking I slightly af, while I’m at it just to make a point.)

Emmelina · 01/01/2020 02:24

Negligent?
Preventable?

NearlyGranny · 01/01/2020 02:32

Instead of being drawn into the semantics of how to describe the event, why not focus instead on what he is going to do next to put things right, and how he will behave in future to avoid a repetition?

You could try asking him where he thinks fragile and precious items should be able to go on display in your home without fear of imminent destruction!

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