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To ask you to pray for the thousands of people trapped on a beach by fires in Victoria?

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TheClaws · 31/12/2019 00:46

There are 4000 people from the town of Mallacoota, Victoria, Australia, that is currently being destroyed by fire. They most likely won’t have homes to return to. They all have life jackets on ready to take shelter in the water as embers rain down upon them. Fire personnel have just - as I post - told them to get in the water. Can you imagine how they must feel?

Australia at the moment is burning across 4 states. Where I am it is 45c and the smell of smoke is heavy. It is a terrible summer for us.

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TheClaws · 31/12/2019 08:58

Placemats Flowers

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gitehn · 31/12/2019 08:59

The fireworks are distasteful at best and an absolute fucking travesty at worst. Perfect example of "Nothing is happening, everything is perfectly fine! Look at the pretty fireworks!".

Meanwhile people have died, Australia's animals are burning alive, countless have lost their home, people are in hospital being treated for respiratory problems, firefighters are going out to try and control this and putting their lives at risk leaving their terrified loved ones at home.

Jesus wept. What a way to start the decade.

TheClaws · 31/12/2019 08:59

spingly thank you!

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Timmythatyou · 31/12/2019 09:00

Cancel the bloody fireworks FFS, it’s not about the money!
Or maybe it is, perhaps those from abroad donating towards helping now will think twice about giving money towards cities that can still ‘celebrate’ like this

ZenNudist · 31/12/2019 09:02

Praying for the people in danger and who lost their homes.

My DPs are due to fly to Melbourne should they not go? They will be in Sydney mid Jan...

astrogirl99 · 31/12/2019 09:05

@CilantroChili agree 100%.

Australians voted in a government with NO climate management plan, no energy plan, nothing. Despite the fact that fire chiefs, our federal bureau of meteorology, NASA, climate scientists all over the world, David Attenborough, etc have been telling us for YEARS that this would happen. We still voted them in a government who refused to even utter the words 'climate' and 'change' in the same sentence.

Why did Australians reject action on climate change? Greed; obsession with property investment; retirees who grew up in the post-war boom wanting to keep their hands on their enormous nest-eggs at the expense of national economic planning and public investment for future generations; all fuelled by the dominance of a media landscape run by the Rupert Murdoch, who, gee! Has a ton of investments in fossil fuels.

59% of us voted against this government back in August because we predicted this shit would start happening.

We 59% - who've been labelled the lunatic left, inner-city latte sipping socialists, mad greenies etc, because we have the temerity to insist on science rather than ideology - now also have to suffer the consequences of the conservative 'do nothing' approach advocated by this pathetic government and its supporters. Not to mention our poorest communities, including our First Nations people, who have contributed nothing to this problem, yet are already being affected.

Interesting that the most scathing criticism of climate change activists during election time came from farmers in regional communities who are now crying out for handouts and assistance with fires because, lo and behold, it's still not raining and shit's getting hotter. The irony.

For anyone out there who questions the climate change stuff, let me lay it out.

These fires are caused by climate change. It's a fact. Human activity is causing climate change. It's a fact.

Any information you're getting otherwise is courtesy of a vast, extremely well-funded propaganda machine courtesy of super-rich fossil fuel investors. You know, the same guys that got that 'grassroots' Tea Party stuff happening in the states.

Mumsnet, the best thing you can do to support us over here in Australia is get on board with your local climate action groups. Write letters to your MPs, write letters to the paper, and join in direct action on the streets. We don't need prayers. We are on fire. We need international cooperation on the management of our climate and natural resources WHICH WE HAVE THE SKILLS AND KNOW-HOW TO DO.

Excuse the caps, I am just so exhausted by all this.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 31/12/2019 09:06

I would have thought there is enough smoke and sparks in the sky and fireworks are the last thing Australia needs right now. It’s crazy they are going ahead.

LakieLady · 31/12/2019 09:07

It reminds of those stories of people trying to shelter on the beach in Pompeii.

I said that to DP last night! And then had to find an online translation of Pliny, no longer being in possession of my 50+ year old school books, so he could read it for himself.

My heart goes out to the poor people stranded. When I heard on the news yesterday afternoon that the roads out had had to be closed, and the people left would be unable to evacuate, I felt a bit panicky just at the thought of it. It must be terrifying.

Will boats be able to get close enough to evacuate them from the beaches, or is it not safe?

The area affected is massive. If it was England, it would be the whole of the SE, north as far as Coventry and east almost to Lowestoft. I find it unimaginable.

I really hope that this is the end and the fire will burn itself out now.

MIdgebabe · 31/12/2019 09:07

I don't pray. I will walk to the surgery later rather than take the car. I will try to drive less this year.

speakout · 31/12/2019 09:09

OP I won't pray, if that's all the same to you.

We don't need divisions.

speakout · 31/12/2019 09:10

WE NEED ACTION ON CLIMATE_ NOT PRAYERS.

MarshaBradyo · 31/12/2019 09:11

Watching the clips, the Francesca one and the man on the boat (says fuck a lot which made me love Aus approach)
It looks apocalyptic, hellish and it must be terrifying.

Astrogirl reading these posts I wondered how the PM got elected I found your post interesting.

Jux · 31/12/2019 09:12

Their government seems to be as broken as ours.

I'm so sorry for those of you with relatives or friends out there, it's awful to feel so helpless; I hope all the people get out, thank goodness the Forces are getting involved in evacuation.

The fireworks thing bemuses me. It seems so disrespectful and inapropriate.

TeaForTara · 31/12/2019 09:12

I don’t know... did you ask everyone to pray for the victims of the Philippines typhoon recently? Or other natural disasters? If not, YABU for only caring if it affects you personally or “people like us”.

LizzieSiddal · 31/12/2019 09:13

Flowers thinking of all those affected by these fires and hoping for a deluge of rain ASAP.

KaptainKaveman · 31/12/2019 09:18

Astrogirl99 brilliant post. Well said.

eaglejulesk · 31/12/2019 09:23

@TeaForTara - well said! As horrific as this is there are a lot of other awful disasters and atrocities happening in the world at present, and most just get swept under the carpet.

astrogirl99 · 31/12/2019 09:23

@MarshaBradyo thank you.

Basically the labor party - who had a decent action plan on climate change - would have won the election if it weren't for one state - Queensland - which voted for the Coalition in landslide numbers.

Queensland is a big coal mining state with lots of working-class communities (bit like UK north) and wealthy retirees. Importantly, it has very low media diversity - only one state newspaper which is Murdoch-owned and very, very right-wing. Labor didn't have a chance up there.

Murdoch of course backs the fossil fuel industry given his investments, including some very murky interests in Golan Heights on the Syrian border, which is a whole other story!

The line they pressed is 'we don't have the infrastructure/knowledge/skills to set up renewables in Australia. Panic fear fear!'

Bollocks. We are saturated with sunshine and wind. Most 2nd year Australian engineering students can build a basic wind turbine in their backyards (I've seen it). We can do this.

The more I learn about this stuff, the more I realise that climate change activists are dealing with a propaganda war funded by billionaires. Disseminating accurate information widely is crucial to this fight... this is something all of us can stand up against using our own communication networks.

astrogirl99 · 31/12/2019 09:23

Thank you @KaptainKaveman.

Inherdefence · 31/12/2019 09:23

This thread has it all from ‘ they deserve it because they were too dumb to evacuate’ (is that you Jacob Rees-Mogg?) to @WindyRose ‘s humbling story.

For those of you who don’t pray just send some positive thoughts. If there is a god he will hear you, if there isn’t there’s no harm done.

StartupRepair · 31/12/2019 09:25

@astrogirl99 completely agree. Wish we had a government with a climate policy.

TheClaws · 31/12/2019 09:26

You don’t have to pray if that doesn’t suit you - your best thoughts are enough. And honestly, TeaforTara, does that comment give you some kind of thrill? Thousands of people are suffering here. They’ve lost their homes. Have some humanity.

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BettyJean · 31/12/2019 09:37

@LunaTheCat

He was on holiday in Hawaii (family time, while his country burned). I believe he is back now though.

ginghamstarfish · 31/12/2019 09:39

Dreadful, my thoughts will be with them. It does seem insensitive to go ahead with fireworks though, why can it not be postponed? I could not celebrate while knowing people were in such danger, and so many poor animals being wiped out.

BettyJean · 31/12/2019 09:40

@TeaForTara

It is possible to “pray for” or in my case (as an atheist) send hope to ALL to all people who are suffering.