AIBU to think its not acceptable for a homeless woman to have to give birth on the street.

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Homeless woman gives birth to premature twins on a cold street outside Cambridge University college
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/homeless-woman-birth-premature-twins-17471458

@blubelle7 I think you mean @DowntownAbby I didn't write that post.

There are three - yes, you read that right - 3 beds for homeless women and 20 for men in Cambridge. Considering it has one of the highest numbers of homeless people in the country, that’s fucking scandalous.
I don't know where you got these figures from but they are categorically not correct. I work on homelessness in Cambridge and while it's not a lot more than this, there are 27 beds at Jimmys - for men or women and five hostels (albeit with waiting lists and for which people must be referred) which adds up to more than your figure.
It's still nowhere near enough of course .

Woman gives birth to premature twins before ambulance arrived. Ambulance arrived within 5 minutes of twins being born and took mother and twins to hospital.

Nobody knows why the mother was homeless, whether she attended ante- natal check ups (where ante natal staff would definately have made her a priority for housing), whether she called for an ambulance whilst in labour...... the list goes on. There is nothing reported as to how the pregnant lady was homeless or the circumstances around the twins birth.

Jeez... if there's a full moon tonight it must be Boris's fault. We would never have a full moon under Corbyn 🙄

Mother and babies were taken to hospital, where they are receiving medical care. Hope they are all doing well.

However they won't always accept the help. Not so much the ones with children - because the support team will intervene with SS, and even police, immediately if someone attempts to make children sleep rough - but pregnant women do sometimes refuse help

Yes - lots of homeless people won't accept help because they have dogs, for example. And the dogs would have to go to an animal rescue centre and they don't want to be without the dog.

they allowed vulnerable people to sometimes borrow 110% - and more) mortgages with little ability to pay back such mortgages. These people were then in negative equity, a massive problem

you can't blame any government for people borrowing more than they could afford. Plenty of people living it up on credit cards too - keeping up with the Jones instead of living within their means.

Sorry @Rubyroost apologies
I meant @DowntownAbby

No ifs, no buts. ALWAYS. No woman who approaches them, or whom they're made aware of, in those circumstances is ever left on the street for even one night without the offer of accommodation.

What blubelle said. Our church has helped 3 women who were in the exact circumstances she describes in her post. All told 'just go home' by the council. Not helped. There was an if, and and but and no ALWYS for them.

There was a thread on here a while back from a woman in similar circumstances. Told to 'go home' by most of the posters.

The banks in the UK are heavily regulated! However things still go wrong, it is very very hard to catch all the maybes, am ongoing problem for the regulatory bodies around the globe. A highly complex area.

The fact that the situation was global with UK being impacted by things overseas, and the interconnectedness of the industry, is overlooked in that commentary.

A very simplistic view of the situation. Oh labour were in charge if they'd just regulated the banks in the UK a bit the whole situation would have been averted

When Sajid Javid was claiming that homelessness had fallen by half since 2008 due to conservative leadership, Louise Casey was interviewed on Radio 4. She was the “homelessness tsar”, appointed by Tony Blair, but also serving under the Cameron government.

She said that that the figures were nearly true, but was pretty firm that this was a misrepresentation of the truth. Actually the peak was in 2004, but it had fallen to an all time low by 2010, but has been climbing since.

So yes, homelessness is down from the peak in 2004, but it is also 77% up from where it was in 2010 when the austerity government took control.

I remember it as often people in her position can be a little on the fence when they are in the radio. She was absolutely clear on this. I think she actually used the phrase “more than mischievous misrepresentation”.

YABU because you're fibbing - she gave birth in town because the labour was fast, not because she was homeless. They're in hospital now.

But if she hadn't been homeless, she'd have been at home, not on the street, wouldn't she? confused

Yes, because pregnant women never ever leave their homes except to go to a hospital to give birth and they know exactly to the minute when labour will start and end. You’re not confused. Stop the wide eyed pretence at ignorance. I know women who have given birth at home, in a shopping Center, in cars and one on a bus because they happened to be out when the baby decided to come and came fast.

And the definition of homeless includes the 50% of people in temporary hostel/B&B emergency council accommodation or sofa surfing at friends or parents homes. Not all homeless are rough sleepers.

you can't blame any government for people borrowing more than they can afford

Ahhhh okay, but I can blame them for anything else though? Inckuding a pregnant lady who is homeless giving birth on the street, who we know nothing about.

Okay.. Thanks for letting me know what I can and can't do. 👍

I like that some posters are essentially accusing women of lying about what does and doesn't happen, because it doesn't suit their worldview (that this woman is a mentally ill drug addict and has refused help offered).

I mean maybe she is maybe she isn't. I just find it interesting that people are saying 100% a pregnant woman would always be accommodated when others are saying that is not their experience.

On, not in.

I didn’t think she was squeezed inside my radio talking to me

Lol at someone who apparently voted for the party of boris watermelon picanninny bum boys letterbox johnson getting all pearl clutchy at the terms ‘3rd world’ or ‘developing country’

@Fraggling but your view of this homeless lady is not over simplistic? Having no knowledge of the cause or her personal circumstances at all? Okay. 👍

I haven't said anything about her circs. I know nothing about her.

I haven't jumped to the conclusion that she is a mentally ill drug addict though. She might be. She might not be. I don't know. Other people seem keen to hazard guesses though.

I'm interested in hearing more about how the Labour government in the UK could and should have stopped the international banking crisis.

@Fraggling people are rightly commenting that it may be that the woman did not seek help which is a definite possibility. People are giving this as an alternative to the rather bias posts that it is definitely the tory government who are to blame. You are twisting words somewhat.

It's absolutely appalling, no one should be on the streets, let alone a pregnant woman.

The Victorian's had work houses, surely we could come up with something that reflects a compassionate, caring society that takes it a responsibility to the vulnerable seriously? Makes me think that Christmas illuminates the selfish hypocrisy of modern society.

You said they could have 'regulated'.

I'm specifically interested in your analysis of the weaknesses in the regulatory structure in existence at that time (FSA) and what mechanisms were available to disconnect from impacts overseas.

@Fraggling and neither did I? I don't mention her being crazed at all. What I did say is there could be a variety of reasons why she did not seek help (mental illness or drug use) rather than the fact she was denied help. You do like twisting people's words.

Crazed?

Where did you get that from?

Good lord.

Let's have your analysis on the financial crisis please.

And I don't think I've said that you said that. I've said some posters have. Not sure why you took that to mean you.

Unless I have somewhere, in which case apologies.

I'm specifically interested in your analysis of the regulatory structure in existence of that time
Of course you are 🤣Problem is that anything that goes against your ideological position you will try and argue against. The fact is that Labour did not to a great job of running our country at all, and the economic boom that they purported to have caused was actually false and down to the rise in house prices. Was it Tony Blair said that this was the end of boom and bust economies 🤣👍

@LoveNote who is responsible for the shocking cuts in funding to LA?
It doesn’t matter who the MP is in any event the inexorable march towards destroying the poor and vulnerable is well underway now in this grim self sabotaging utterly stupid country

What you mean is, you can't answer the question.

You stated that labour in the UK could have averted the global banking crisis (or at least protected the UK from the effects?) with 'regulation'.

That is a massive statement and I feel you really ought to back it up.

Rather than making a laughing face and saying no I won't.

@ironicname never mind work houses for the poor they will need them for nurses teachers and hotel workers no wait they are already poor as using food banks

Also I recommend a dormitory or hostel style housing for MPs in Westminster
No cushy second homes and outrageous expenses
Gruel for dinner and a click clack bed might stop the likes of JRM being a politician