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£5000-£8000 uni GRANT 2020!!

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Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 20:56

It’s official! All Nurse midwifery and other allied health professions students will receive a uni grant of at least 5000 from 2020! Also including those in their 2nd/3rd year of their degree too, Now Student nurses will be able to study and do training without having to struggle financially seeing it’s difficult to train and maintain a job too! Super doops!

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bsc · 22/12/2019 20:59

Yeah... because it only costs £5k p.a. to live doesn't it? Hmm

toosoontoflytothemoon · 22/12/2019 21:01

I think it’s great OP! About time too!

JellyfishandShells · 22/12/2019 21:01

Excellent news !

mrsbyers · 22/12/2019 21:02

Some people are never happy !

Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 21:06

@bsc You Can’t possibly argue that 5k won’t make a difference?! Have you done any medical training? The long hours and efforts in placements without any payment. The gov introduced this to increase NHS staff at 50,000 by 2025 and I assure you they were right to coz it’ll motivate more students to enrol. Some are single parents juggling between a family and studying and training and a part time job coz working full time Almost impossible!

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bsc · 22/12/2019 21:07

Nurses (and other NHS technical specialists e.g. radiographers) should have all their fees paid and an annual cost if living payment of about £10k. They work ridiculously long shifts for nothing atm. It's outrageous to expect them to do this.

Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 21:08

@toosoontoflytothemoon @JellyfishandShells Grin

@mrsbyers right?! Hmm

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BuffaloCauliflower · 22/12/2019 21:08

It will make a difference and is great news, but it won’t cover anyone’s living costs for a year unless they can completely rely on parents or a partner. Student nurses will still have to work as well. Can you claim UC alongside student grants?

bsc · 22/12/2019 21:09

X-post. No, I agree they should be recompensed for training, I just don't think£5k is enough. Yes- many of them are parents already, and even if they aren't cost of living is ridiculously high near most hospitals.

Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 21:10

Nurses (and other NHS technical specialists e.g. radiographers) should have all their fees paid and an annual cost if living payment of about £10k. They work ridiculously long shifts for nothing atm. It's outrageous to expect them to do this

Yes they should! But baby steps, who knows things might look up 5 years from now! fingers crossed

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YuletideFairy · 22/12/2019 21:10

It’s higher than that in Scotland for student nurses. It went up to £8,100 for the year 19/20 for years 1,2 & 3 and it’s around £6,000 for year 4. I think it was around £5000 before it went up.

BanginChoons · 22/12/2019 21:10

They took the old bursary, introduced fees for NHS students meaning 50k debt and lost control over recruitment meaning less clinical experience for each individual student. The new grant brings less financial hardship for some students, but if you are a parent on universal credit it will still be taken away £ for £. You still pay fees and take on massive debts which you will never earn enough to pay off, yet a big chunk will come out of your wages every month.

And then we have the cohorts in the middle who haven't benefited from either bursary.

It's not great. It's a way the government can make itself look good to people who don't realise how good it actually isn't.

TheNavigator · 22/12/2019 21:11

In Scotland, nurses don’t pay fees and from 2020 get £10k pa bursary. We need nurses.

Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 21:13

Can you claim UC alongside student grants?

Not entirely sure but I think they could. I echo what @bsc said & they should not have scraped the NHS tuition fees bursary!

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edsheeransgingerbeard · 22/12/2019 21:13

Do they still have to pay tuition fees of £8000 a year?

TooStressyTooMessy · 22/12/2019 21:13

It is a small peanut they have given which is better than nothing. However:-

  1. HCPs should not be paying fees at all when they are propping up the NHS while training.
  2. It is an easy sound bite (as Bangin says) which does nothing to address the severe retention problems in the NHS once staff qualify.
Nutter50028 · 22/12/2019 21:15

In Scotland, nurses don’t pay fees and from 2020 get £10k pa bursary. We need nurses amazing! If only...

@BanginChoons you’re right

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YuletideFairy · 22/12/2019 21:18

There’s a lot more funding available in Scotland depending on individual circumstances. It’s such a shame this isn’t the case UK wide.

PowerToTheMeeple · 22/12/2019 21:18

I’ll be going into my third year in September. I started on the BSc and switched to the MSc for this year and next year. I’m hoping I get it, as it will help. Most recently out on placement I was working 14 hour shifts and then working elsewhere as well on my days ‘off’. Interested to see exactly how it’s going to work.

Jenpop234 · 22/12/2019 21:20

Great news! Some people on here don't seem to understand how university tuition fees work...
You pay back nothing until you earn 25k per year. They are then written off after 25 years. Nurses will not pay back most of their student loan. Student loans are effectively a tax on the rich.

titchy · 22/12/2019 21:26

In Scotland, nurses don’t pay fees

In Scotland no Scottish domiciled students pay fees! There's no special dispensation for nurses.

Student HCPs will still be able to claim the maintenance loan as now, so for young students or those with no dependents it'll be extra cash. As others have said though for those on UC the grant will be counted as income so effectively won't help at all.

Mrscog · 22/12/2019 21:29

The tuition fees are a red herring though - they’ll pay barely any of it back and it’s a much simpler way of getting the training fee to universities rather than another income stream and a whole load of administration. I would personally be in favour of writing off the loan after 10 years NHS service though.

ScreamedAtTheMichelangelo · 22/12/2019 21:30

YABU for saying super doops, agree with you about nurses though Grin

TheFairyCaravan · 22/12/2019 21:35

DS2 went to uni in 2015 to do nursing. He has no tuition fees, got a means tested bursary of just over £3k a year and a student loan of £7k over the 3yrs.

His bursary didn't cover his rent, and nor would £5k pa. We had to support him and he worked in a pub during his spare time.

£5k is naff all. It won't cover the rent in halls, or their travel costs, or food. And bollocks is it "baby steps" it should never have been taken away in the first place and they should not be paying fees.

We3kingsoforientareandabump · 22/12/2019 21:37

As somebody who is starting a midwifery degree in September I'm over the moon.

This is the difference between me having to work while studying and doing placement and not having to.

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