People who think Margaret Thatcher was good...why?

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I have s tory froend who worshipd Margaret Thatcher and cried when she died...just why? Can anyone explain please?

@Hingeandbracket you're talking shite I'm afraid
Your humble opinion is noted.
Thatcher sank the Belgrade for popularity and then told lies about it.
The conflict would never have started if her government hadn’t withdrawn the Naval support vessel and indicated via diplomatic channels that she didn’t actually give a fuck about the Falklands.

She contributed to the destruction of the steel and coal industry

They didn't need her help, they'd destroyed themselves much earlier. like the car industry, during the 60s with their never ending petty who-does-what strikes. The only winners were their union leaders who made it happen and fortunes for themselves.

Margaret Thatcher was a workaholic. I hated her and her political standing but she lived and breathed it.
I don't find her comparable to a lazy windbag like BJ.

Blair and Scargill closed more mines than Magie But as usual the truth doesn't matter

Apparently truth is irrelevant to you. Ten pits closed when Blair was PM, dozens more were long gone by 1997. Why do people post shit like this when it’s so easy to check the facts?

She was a rather flawed person.....openly adored her son, but seemed indifferent to her daughter; said she had been inspired by her father's example, but had little to do with him once in power; had no outside interests other than politics, hence not a happy or fulfilled old age. Her grandchildren lived in America, so no real relationship with them.

Thatcher sank the Belgrade for popularity
No, the Belgrano was sunk because the Admiralty advised the War Cabinet that it posed a clear threat to the fleet. And it did. A cruiser with a top speed of 32 knots could (if it realised that it was being followed) very easily have outrun its tail, particularly in the relatively shallow waters it was in, and made it undetected to within Exocet range.

Do you seriously think that when an Admiral has already put up a signal ordering Conqueror to attack (an order he was not empowered to give) that anyone had time to consult a focus group to establish public opinion on the matter before deciding whether or not it would improve the polls? No, advice came from the military, not political advisors.

They are either old enough to have loved that horrible person [i deleted my first choice word ] or too young to realise what a horrible person she was [see previous comment].

Presumably to the same places that anyone else emigrated to. Between 1924 and 1939 50,000 people left the Rhondda.

The argument would no doubt be that they should go to where the jobs are. Maybe they should all descend on London? Along with huge swathes of the North of England?

There, that will fix the problem.

BaldCrusader you ask how many steel plants and mines Labour reopened. The answer is none simply because the way the mines were closed meant it was impossible to safely reopen them

Certainly in S Wales a lot of them will have flooded. Soon as the pumps were turned off they'll have filled with water.

Britain has shown they love the Tories but if you only got your views from social media and online frothing forums such as Mumsnet you’d assume the Tories were hated.

43.6% voted for them.

based on this interview by her biographer, she did a lot for the country and brought it back from some serious fiscal irresponsibility and when she left the country was at least on par with other nations not a century behind.

Not only did Thatcher sink the Belgrano for her own political gain, she tried to cover it up.

From the BBC -

The 1985 Ponting case was in some ways the landmark Official Secrets case. Clive Ponting, who had worked at the Ministry of Defence, walked free from court after a jury cleared him of breaking the Official Secrets Act.

It was hailed as a victory for the jury system. The judge had indicated that the jury should convict him.

Ponting had been charged with leaking an internal MoD document concerning the General Belgrano, the Argentinian cruiser which British forces sank during the 1982 Falklands War, killing 360 people.

The government line had been that the Belgrano was threatening British lives when it was sunk. But the document leaked by Ponting indicated it was sailing out of the exclusion zone. Its publication was a huge embarrassment for Lady Thatcher's government.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/216868.stm

She was a liar who would do or say anything for political gain.

All the people who worked very close to her found her very thoughtful and caring.
How people treat cleaners, secretaries, cooks etc, says nearly everything you need to know about a person.

How a person treats the country tells a lot about them too :(

North Sea Oil, a once-in-history opportunity to invest in the economy and modernise our infrastructure. No, spent it on financing over 3m unemployed to weaken the bargaining power of organised Labour so that dividends and top pay could grow. Alright for some.

And the consequences of the council house sell-off (with councils banned from using the money to build new houses) only now becoming apparent.

All the people who worked very close to her found her very thoughtful and caring.

How do you know?

Well yes, her domestic servants were appropriately supine. They knew their place.

The hands in the sink with marigolds on photo was down to Tim Bell. She gave the housekeeper the afternoon off to shoot that.

And as Carol's little Faux Pas on The One Show revealed, it was a virulently racist household.

www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v25/n01/alan-bennett/secrets-are-best-kept-by-those-who-have-no-sense-of-humour

2 February. A letter from a reader comparing her experiences of evacuation with mine. She was sent to Grantham and says that Alderman Roberts, Mrs Thatcher’s father, was thought to be into the black market and that Maggie used to hang out of her bedroom window and spit on the other children.

When your boss retires (or is sacked) it can be interesting to see how many of their former underlings, colleagues and associates keep in touch.

Obedience is not the same as respect. Hierarchy is not the same as affection.

I understand the Thatcher had a lonely retirement.

A lot of them did stay in touch.
Nothing is black and white. People can appear saintly to the outside world yet be horrible to their nearest and dearest.
If you read the biogs of Mrs Thatcher, those that worked closest to her always say how thoughtful and caring she was.
I have no skin in this game but a lot of the criticism about her was very misogynistic, calling her a witch, bitch, cow etc.

Maggie used to hang out of her bedroom window and spit on the other children.

She wasn't Maggie til she mqrried Dennis and became Mrs Margaret Thatcher No.2. They were known to the family as Margo and Maggie respectively.

At school, she was known as Snobby Roberts.

At school, she was known as Snobby Roberts

In Scotland she was detested