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DS can't/won't do work in school

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scrappydappydoooooo · 14/12/2019 12:38

DS aged 8 is struggling a lot in school. He was doing fine last year but at the start of this school year he was very ill, spent some time in hospital and a lot of time off at home and even since returning to school has missed a number of days here and there as his immune system is very, very low and he is getting sick far more often than he ever has. He's missed roughly 1/3 of the school year and at times I can see that he's extremely worn out after a school day.

When he was out of school I used to go an pick up the work he was missing from his teacher. A lot of the time he was genuinely far too sick to do it but on his better days he worked his way through all of his missing work with no issue. He flew through his maths work, had little bother with his writing worksheets, occasionally mixed up his reading because he sometimes rushes his reading but when I'd get him to use his finger under what he was reading he could do it pretty well. His main problem was with learning spellings. At times he'd also make his own 'comics' and he has trouble sounding out a word to spell it.

He's always been more of a 'sight-reader' but I started to realise that he had very little comprehension of phonics at all. So once he was well enough I went through phonics with him. It took a bit of work to convince him because when I'd go over phonics with him he'd argue back with non-phonetic examples. (He wasn't being arsey, just genuinely baffled.) But with a lot of effort we finally had a breakthrough with it and he now gets phonics and can sound out phonetic spellings with little difficulty.

Yet at school he is struggling hugely. When he first went back, he couldn't do anything at all. Maths worksheets that he'd been doing quickly at home were coming home with him because after 20 minutes of sitting in front of them at school he hadn't been able to get through them. Then he'd sit up at the table at home and do them without bother. His English work was even worse. He could barely do any grammer worksheets. He gets all of his spellings wrong. His teacher tells me he cries at school that he just can't do it. Then at home he does them just fine.

After about a month of this he's back to getting through most of his maths at school but he still does better at home. His English work is 50/50 at school, somedays it's fine, some days it's dire. But any work at home is done quickly and correctly. He'd started to get a better at school but in the last few weeks his school work is getting worse again.

On the one hand, I accept that he is recovering from an illness that his doctors have told me will take at least 6 months for him to fully recover from even if he doesn't relapse. And that he missed so much of the start of the school year and is still occasionally missing days, that he's struggling to actually get into the swing of things. On the other hand, I really don't want him to form poor habits. He needs to be able to do the work he is capable of in school. So I'm worried about the backslide.

The last issue I have is that I've realised in the last few weeks that his class has become very competitive academically. DS has told me that he is the dumb one out of all of his class. And when I talked to the teacher about it, I've discovered that they do tests at the end of every week and that they are told their results in order of how they did, so DS and all of the class know how badly he is doing. That there is a constant threat of being moved down a class hanging over them if they don't do better. And I know my DS, if he feels like he is constantly failing he tells himself he doesn't care and he stops trying. Except he really does care and it's eating him up. I had him crying in my arms a few weeks ago about how he didn't realise he was so stupid and all because of work that he couldn't do at school but once I calmed him down and sat down to help him with, he did easily without any help at all.

I'm really, really worried about how to help him now. He can do the work but can't/won't do it at school.

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ZzzMarchhare · 14/12/2019 12:46

It sounds like can’t rather than won’t. Does school have a learning mentor/pastoral care lead?
I also don’t think doing the work at home is the answer as it will be adding to his tiredness.
I had a month off school aged 9/10 and I still remember how bewildered I felt going back in.
Next year with a new project he is there at the start might help but I would be asking school if there is any support temporarily he could have.

tensmum1964 · 14/12/2019 12:50

I know this isn't simple and may not be practical but with everything you have described I would home school him. It doesn't sound like school is a place where he will thrive. For some children the school environment can be destructive and the negative impacts can last a life time.

averythinline · 14/12/2019 12:56

wtf school is that ? seriously poor teaching practice to read out scores to a class never mind in order..... do you time travel to victorian times...I would be raising this with teh head of keystage/year/head -

although if this is the schools ethos I would be finding another school - this sort of regime will be very damaging to his mental health never mind the toll he has had on his physical health..

it may suit some but I would not want that sort of learning environment... has he got a health care plan going back to school after being so ill he should be being supported ...

scrappydappydoooooo · 14/12/2019 13:25

wtf school is that ? seriously poor teaching practice to read out scores to a class never mind in order..... do you time travel to victorian times...

That's what I was wondering! TBH I was completely and utterly horrified when I realised this is happening. Sorry for a bit of a drip feed, but I work in adult education and this is the kind of thing I thought went out with the dark ages. I'm actually working with people who's ability to learn was damaged by this kind of practice, so it's weird to me that it's still being used now.

I could potentially home educate DS, I think that on an academic level he would benefit from it but socially I don't think it would suit him. He's an only child and we don't live in an area where he can play out. He has had to give up most of his extra curricular activities as he's not allowed to do activities like play contact sports for at least another 3 months, maybe longer depending on how fast he fully recovers. When he was off school he was pining for his friends. I do wonder if at least a part of the issue he is having is that now that he's back with his friends he just wants to talk to them and being with them but not able to talk to them during work time is part of why he's not working well at school. It's why I think there could be an element of "won't" do his work rather than just "can't." But if that's true it's backfiring because I think they are starting to look down on him for being stupid.

I definitely need to talk to the school again. I have done on a number of occasions but I'm not sure if it's been taken seriously just how very ill he was and that even now he's not at 100%. I genuinely think he needs a much gentler and supportive approach but was wondering if I was being not just pfb but the even worse, precious only child. I'll admit that he can be kind of annoying and will take an opportunity to chatter about his interests instead of doing his work if given half a chance. And that as one kid in a class of kids, that can be extremely annoying. But in my heart of hearts I think he needs a bit of hand holding until he gets up to speed with what's expected of him in school.

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LittleSwede · 14/12/2019 13:36

The school doesn't sound particularly supportive. Is he in a gradually increasing part time table? Could the time table him so that he doesn't have to sit these ridiculous tests.

He might qualify due some home education through the Local Authority. I'm a 'hospital' teacher and I have supported children who have been our of school due to illness. They usually have to build up their time back a school gradually, sometimes with a 'hospital'teacher supporting them.

Sounds like he's been through enough without having to worry about academic progress right now Flowers

LittleSwede · 14/12/2019 13:37

Apologies for typos Blush

tensmum1964 · 14/12/2019 13:45

There can be quite a lot of social/educational opportunities with home school forums. Its a bit of a post code lottery but worth looking in to.

Equanimitas · 14/12/2019 14:03

I've discovered that they do tests at the end of every week and that they are told their results in order of how they did, so DS and all of the class know how badly he is doing

Incredibly bad practice. Is this a state school? I wonder whether your son wouldn't do better having a fresh start somewhere else that is more nurturing.

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 14/12/2019 14:10

Surely this can’t be a state school. I know it happens in independent schools and am aware of a child who suffered from extreme anxiety, because the results of weekly tests were posted on a notice board at the school gate.

He was terrified of dropping a place and developed nervous tics and a stutter.

I’d look at HE. Or another school.

Doggyfeet · 14/12/2019 14:12

My son was very ill at the start of the summer term in year 5. He had about a month off school and when he did return it was on a reduced timetable for the rest of the term - he was just too exhausted. When he was at home we didn’t do any school work, rest was more important.
He started to back into the swing of things in year 6.

Give him more time to recover if he needs it.

likeafishneedsabike · 14/12/2019 14:13

If he was mine I would be thinking about pulling him out, keeping him at home for the rest of the school year to recover fully and looking for a more nurturing environment for September.
Obviously this totally depends on whether you can pay the bills while keeping him at home.

gingerbiscuits · 14/12/2019 22:00

Speaking as a teacher, his school should be ashamed of themselves! They're clearly not creating an environment where he feels confident, at ease & able to do his work. A few simple tweaks to how they do things (publicly humiliating the lower test scoring children in class needs to stop!), some confidence building & good old TLC would make the world of difference. You have the right to expect this from them - if he's more than able to perform at home, then they are failing him at school & that's simply not acceptable. You could start with a meeting with the teacher/SENCO & if that doesn't work, the Head. Good luck! You sound like an amazing mum!!

TeddyToaster · 15/12/2019 22:04

@scrappydappydoooooo If you can do it academically, I would home school - at least til the end of the year. I know a few parents that home school and they have joined home schooling networks. It's basically where you meet up with other home-schoolers and do your learning as a group - usually a visit to a museum / activity centre.

Also, I'd echo what others are saying regarding reading out the test scores like that. Antithesis of inclusivity and modern teaching!!

TeddyToaster · 15/12/2019 22:05

Eta - they don't meet up all the time, just maybe every couple of weeks. X

InfiniteCurve · 15/12/2019 22:20

Poor boy.
What is the school thinking of? No wonder he isn't doing as well at school as at home,he'd be aware anyway that he was finding some work harder than the rest of his class because of how ill he has been,and still not being 100%,but instead of supporting him the school's system is just rubbing it in.
Do go in and speak to the school,( you'll be helping other children as well as your DSSmile)

user1470132907 · 15/12/2019 22:32

Really poor practice by the school! If it’s private (I hope to God this wouldn’t still be going on in the state system but you never know...), I’d be looking to move him as the ethos is shit, regardless of his health.

If state, then definitely another chat with the school reinforcing severity of illness and escalation as required.

I don’t know where you are but flexi schooling is a thing in Scotland - kids go to school some of the week and home-schooled other parts. If an adult had been this ill, they would be advised to go back on a phased return to work.

I also have an only child and agree about the social opportunities of school, and experiencing an environment which is not designed to fit solely around them, is a good thing.

MollyButton · 15/12/2019 22:41

The school sounds awful!
I've only heard of a similar practice at a local Public school - and that was a few years ago, and everyone was horrified at how awful the practice was. If this is a state school I would be complaining to the Head (and to be honest would have been withdrawing my child).
Find out if there are local HE groups - even if it means travelling, to get the social side. Are there other clubs he could join eg. Beavers or sports (if his health is up to it).

HomelessnessIsABigIssue · 15/12/2019 23:09

The school sounds awful. Reaaaly awful.

I know moving a child to a new school is a big step, but I think it's worth considering.

My children attended a school with a good reputation, but the things my children were telling me about it every day were shocking, and the practices I knew about pretty appalling. In the end I moved the eldest to another school and the change was amazing. As soon as I realised how good the new school was and that actually the old school really was bad (it's hard to know for sure when you have nothing to compare to), I moved my younger DS. They both now love school, have high self esteem and are catching up in all areas (we didn't even realise how behind they were, or that they were behind, because the old school didn't notice or care!!)

Seriously consider moving your DC to a new school.

ElasticGirl · 15/12/2019 23:25

I wonder if you have considered if your son could be dyslexic? It may be that he has just missed a lot of school but a lot of what you describe sounds like my son who was diagnosed with dyslexia at around 8. He could never read phonics but learnt whole words, he really struggles with spellings, and the humiliating weekly tests. He is a visual thinker, and learns when he has a clear picture of a word, so short abstract words are tricky. But he is quick at maths, and very bright, and imaginative. It may be worth looking into.

Mummyshark2019 · 16/12/2019 00:19

Sounds like he is anxious and nervous at school and that is blocking his ability to do the work. The school sounds awful. There seems to be a lot of pressure and reading out scores is not on. Could you look into another school or home school?

Helpfullilly · 16/12/2019 00:55

I went through similar in terms of the school culture and reading out test scores as a child with dyslexia. It severely damaged my self esteem and relationships with peers. I used to cry at school as well.

This sort of practice can cause damage it takes years to fix, that can even stay with someone all their lives. I had support outside of school and learned little at the school itself. I was mainly sent for the socialisation, but I really wish I hadn't been sent as the socialisation I got made me feel unworthy and lesser. That's not healthy at all.

I'd urge you to consider home schooling for a little while if you can and easing him into going to another school. If you are worried about socialisation there must be clubs or home ed groups? Sometimes local councils facilitate things for home schooled children/families.

My worry is the attitude of the school even if they stopped this sort of testing and reading out scores.

I really feel for you and your DS.

CrotchetyQuaver · 16/12/2019 01:32

Would some 1:1 tutoring help him catch up and improve his confidence? It could make all the difference.

scrappydappydoooooo · 16/12/2019 08:12

I wonder if you have considered if your son could be dyslexic?

I did wonder about that when I saw how he was struggling with phonics but quite a lot of the adults I work with have dyslexia so knew that his reading ability was too good for that to be likely. It only took a week or so to get him to understand phonics and I think the problem was mainly that he can read lots of non-phonetic words so phonics just seemed like nonsense to him. He can sound out words now. Yesterday he was writing Christmas cards to bring in to school this morning and he was able to sound out all the words he didn't know. So he's getting it now but he had a spelling test on Friday and got most of the words wrong despite getting them all right for me on Thursday night.

I'm going to arrange another meeting at school this week and then we'll be on holidays, so he'll have more of a chance to relax. (Though obviously at 8 he's actually wired with excitement about Santa.) Then I'll reassess in January. Ive talked to him about leaving school if he wants. I won't make it fully his decision but I think that if he knows he can tell me that it's all too much and that I can see there is a problem for him rather than with him, it could help.

I'm glad I'm not being pfb, which is how I've felt at the school. I really think this is the kind of thing that could cause him esteem problems for the rest of his life if not addressed properly. So one way or the other it won't be allowed to continue. Thanks everyone.

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MollyButton · 16/12/2019 15:34

I wouldn't rule out dyslexia - I know a lot of dyslexics who didn't seem to struggle learning to read or not much but have had real struggles later in life.
A gap between their seeming intelligence and their ability in written communication is far more indicative.
However has your son had any issues with his hearing?
His problems in the classroom could be due to sensory overload.

InfiniteCurve · 16/12/2019 17:29

My No 2 dyslexic child can read fluently - but if you ask them to talk about something you get lots of well reasoned discussion with appropriate vocabulary,and if you ask then to write it down you get "ther cat....sat....on ther...mat"
No 1 dyslexic child isn't a fluent reader at all,but writes well.
It can vary a lot.